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Contents 



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11.1 Marchl 



My Research Blog (2011-03-01 14:16) 



My Research Blog (2011-03-01 14:22; 



Where my research stands (2011-03-02 14:10) 



Waiting for mail (2011-03-03 11:13) 



Working the problem (2011-03-04 09:25; 



Where to next? (2011-03-05 10:39) 



Second Look Sunday (2011-03-06 10:C 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy fc History: Disasters (2011-03-07 11:15) 



Locating Cousins (2011-03-08 09:57) 



In Search of Cousins (2011-03-08 10:52; 



Sorting through old emails (2011-03-09 09:3L 



I Got Mail! (2011-03-10 12:52; 



Analysis (2011-03-11 10:38) 



Tracking Down Sources (2011-03-12 11:21', 



Will or Administration???? (2011-03-13 10:24) 



Special Report (2011-03-13 19:35) 



Archibald Fisher Timeline (2011-03-14 10:35) 



What other Records are available? (2011-03-15 09:56) 



What other records are available? (2011-03-15 11:00) 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History- Illness and Injury (2011-03-16 09:38) 



Happy St. Patrick's Day! (2011-03-17 09:20) 



Decisions and Discrepancies (2011-03-18 09:12) 



Sorry Wrong Office (2011-03-19 10:04) 



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[Archibald Fisher Will (2011-03-19 18:42) 



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The Envelope Please... (2011-03-20 09:13) 



This Just In.... (2011-03-20 10: 



Genealogy Marathon (2011-03-21 11:04) 



Identifying Possible Sources & Inspiration (2011-03-22 10:53) 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy fc History- Movies (2011-03-23 11:17) 



Interesting Find (2011-03-25 15:30) 



Picture Mystery and Future Book (2011-03-26 17:43) 



Fun at the Cemetery... (2011-03-27 12:57) 



Book Sale Bible (2011-03-28 17:57) 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy fc History- Sweets (2011-03-30 10:54) 



Where oh where did their Genealogy Records go? (2011-03-31 07:37) 



1.2 April 



John Reynolds Biography (2011-04-01 07:37) 



One Big Family (2011-04-02 09:56) 



Assembling the Puzzle... (2011-04-03 08:10) 



John Beaird's Times (2011-04-04 07:46) 



Absconding Cousin (2011-04-05 07:42) 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy fc History- Spring (2011-04-06 21:58) 



Don't Know the History (2011-04-07 22:29) 



Need to Organize My Genealogy (2011-04-09 19:31) 



Need a Filing System (2011-04-09 19:32) 



BYUtv - The Generations Project: Emily (2011-04-13 11:39) 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy fc History- Sports (2011-04-15 11:16) 



St. John Vianney Church (2011-04-17 22:27) 



Stanley Valley (2011-04-21 20:25; 



More Fun with Maps (2011-04-27 10:57) 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy fc History- Pets (2011-04-28 21:46) 



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1.3 May | 



Made A Nice Find (2011-05-02 13:10) 



What I know, KNOW! (2011-05-05 12:09) 



My Inzenhof Line (2011-05-06 12:li; 



Scott County, VA Forgeys (2011-05-13 18:52; 



Forgey, Forgy, fc Forgie etc. (2011-05-21 22:24) 



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Civil War/ Sorting out Forgeys (2011-05-30 12:16) 



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Broad Search (2011-06-01 11:57) 



Fergus/ Forgey (2011-06-04 11:54) 



Inferential Genealogy Case Study 2 (2011-06-07 12:14) 



Germans and Women (2011-06-17 12:00) 



Nan's Trip Docs/ 1) James Forgey Bible (2011-06-24 10:42; 



More (2011-06-25 09:19) 



More James Forgey 1802 bible analysis (2011-06-25 10:21) 



1.5 July 



Alex Forgey Washington County, VA (2011-07-03 09:46) 



Alex Forgey's Son? (2011-07-08 12:20) 



Roller Church Records (2011-07-11 15:44) 



Now for something a little different (2011-07-17 11:56) 



The Complexities of DNA (2011-07-23 22: IT 



more on dna (2011-07-26 14:10) 



DNA and the Percentages (2011-07-28 21:51 



1.6 August 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History - Grandparents' House (2011-08-05 14:17) 



The Rise of Peer Culture (2011-08-10 14:09) 



How the Forgeys earned their Bread (2011-08-19 12:23) 



Interpreting Taxlists (2011-08-25 11:43) 



Interpreting Taxlists (2011-08-25 12:45) 



Andrew and the 2 Alexanders (2011-08-31 14:05) 



1.7 September 



more on slavery (2011-09-08 21:27) 



The Forgeys and Slavery (2011-09-08 22:18) 



Y DNA12 Markers and 25 to GO! (2011-09-14 13:26)| . 



Journey of Man: The Genetic Journey of the Forgeys/Forgy & Forgies (2011-09-21 14:32) 



The Adoption of Fixed Surnames fc DNA (2011-09-27 22:05) 



11.8 October! 



Are you curious about the group site layout at Family Tree DNA? (2011-10-06 12:34) 



Ancestry.com's DNA Group Layout (2011-10-13 13:21) 



Tracking Down DNA Matches and Digging Deeper (2011-10-20 14:46) 



Put Yourself in the Picture (2011-10-28 12:40) 



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Happy Halloween! (2011-10-31 13:29) 



11.9 November! 



Just when I thought I had it figured. ..a new clade? (2011-11-02 11:28) 



|What can DNA really prove? (2011-11-08 12:41) 



(2011-11-10 21:43) 



William Kappel anti aircraft gun battalion (2011-11-11 10:06) 



Comparing Marker Matches so Far (2011-11-12 09:09) 



Family Pictures Gold Rush and Mystery Solved (2011-11-17 12:15) 



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|FT DNA Beta + Final DNA comparisons at 37 markers (2011-11-22 12:2i; 



Happy Thanksgiving! (2011-11-24 08:57) 



My DNA Wish List for Santa! Plus link to Our Group (2011-11-28 12:50) 



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Forgey Autograph Collection and A Forgey is DNA Testing with Ancestry.com 



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Alexander G. Forgey, Do We Have the Best Sources? (2011-12-09 11:5F 



Was their father James, John or Alexander? (2011-12-12 11:48) 



Timeline Helps Clarify Alexander and Andrew lines (2011-12-14 19:03) 



More DNA results plus Serendipity (2011-12-16 13:E 



A Forgey Slept with Abraham Lincoln's.... (2011-12-19 12:42) 



Santa and my Grandfather had the same Handwriting (2011-12-25 10:06) 



A Software Generated Family History (2011-12-27 11:37) 



|A Software Generated Family History (2011-12-27 14:10) 



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|My Canvas a Boring, Expensive Family History Book? (2011-12-30 14:55~ 



Nothing but Good News to end the Year with! (2011-12-31 20:35; 



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2.1 January 



My Family and the Rose Parade (2012-01-01 18:07) 



To do list for New Year (2012-01-02 13:07) 



West Fork of Flat Creek Found? (2012-01-12 12:5L 



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What was "Breast Complaint"? (2012-01-16 13:45) 



Breast Complaint a Misdiagnosis? (2012-01-17 13:27) 



The Mysterious John Beaird (2012-01-23 14:08) 



Can you spot the problems? (2012-01-26 11:09) 



When fact and speculation become confused (2012-01-30 12:01) 



Publishing Your Family History or Making Your own Reference books (2012-01-31 10:27) 



2.2 February 



FT DNA BUSY? Or are they torturing us? (2012-02-01 12:25; 



WDYTYA Premiere Problems (2012-02-04 13:05) 



What I learned from RootsTech 2012 (2012-02-05 12:30) 



General Hospital (County USC) and a Breakthrough (2012-02-07 12:36) 



Ancestry Family Search Chrome Extension (2012-02-08 22:05) 



Received Knox County, TN Deeds Indexes (2012-02-10 12:40) 



WikiTree Collaboration (2012-02-15 13:39) 



Log Cabins and Log Houses (2012-02-20 11:15) 



My intro to New Family Search Tree: From Sublime to Ridiculous (2012-02-23 19:07) 



Separating the Wrong Records, New FamilySearch Tree (2012-02-26 13:46) 



Using the 1940 Census to Build an Interesting Family History (2012-02-29 22:25) 



12.3 March! 



How would you interpret these DNA results? (2012-03-03 14:15; 



Was an Ancestor Presidente de Nicaragua? (2012-03-10 14:34) 



Happy Dance Day plus email Address Log (2012-03-15 13:51 



Happy St. Patrick's Sister Mary Kathleen! (2012-03-16 21:06) 



John R. Moss and Nancy Forgey Civil War Letter (2012-03-30 15:52) 



Lonely Civil War Soldier Needs Your letters (2012-03-31 09:57) 



2.4 April 



1940 US Census: Separating Communists from Patriotic Americans (2012-04-01 11:48) . . 



Finding My Family 1940 Plus Indexing the First 1000 are the Toughest (2012-04-10 14:11) 



Hugh Forgey reference Deeds Knox County, TN (2012-04-26 11:15) 



Saving Your Blog in PDF Format and Publishing it (2012-04-29 16:36) 



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Chapter 1 



2011 



1.1 March 



My Research Blog (2011-03-01 14:16) 



I will use this blog to record my research progress. I've been researching since 1999. I live in Southern 
California (Whittier). Most of my ancestors lived in the Midwest. My grandmother Graciela Del Castillo- 
Forgey was a native of Nicaragua where she married my, Indiana native and US Marine, Grandfather Charles 
Forgey. My grandfather Rudolph Kapple was a native of Inzenhof, Austria before settling in the Chicago 
Illinois area. My great-grand mother Helen Mullen-Mason was a native of Galway Ireland before settling in 
Chicago, Illinois. 



My Research Blog (2011-03-01 14:22) 



I will use this blog to record my research progress. I've been researching since 1999. I live in Southern 
California (Whittier). Most of my ancestors, at some point, lived in the Midwest. My grandmother Graciela 
Del Castillo- Forgey was a native of Nicaragua where she married my, Indiana native and US Marine, Grand- 
father Charles Forgey. My grandfather Rudolph Kapple was a native of Inzenhof, Austria; he later settled in 
the Chicago Illinois area. My great-grand mother Helen Mullen-Mason was a native of Galway Ireland later 
settling in Chicago, Illinois. 

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I was able to quickly trace my Grandfather Rudoph Kapple or Koppel's family in Austria using the hints 
from the Burgenland Bunch website. I am now working on the Forgey and Owens lines. I believe that Hugh 
Forgey and Catherine Fisher are parents of Andrew Forgey b. 1794 Tennessee he later migrated to Indiana, 
then Iowa where he died. Circumstantial evidence, naming patterns and proximity , point to Hugh Forgey 
and Catherine Fisher as parents. Also an autosomal DNA test seems to point in that direction. Just waiting 
for more records to surface. 

On the Owens side there is confusion about which James Owens was named in John and Susannah Owens 
probate records. I believed my James D. Owens is named as their son, the descendants of another James 
Owens believes it is their ancestor. Both James lived in Bracken County, KY and state they were born in 
PA. Both were roughly the same age. The basis for my claim is naming patterns. 

Since very few records were kept at these early dates in Kentucky and Tennessee I have had to rely on 
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Your "Mind Map" makes so much sense. It's hard to describe in words while trying to prove parentage. I think I'll 

try that! 

Annette (2011-03-05 11:52:58) 

Thanks Pam for the nice comment! I love the Mind Maps! They help clarify things. 



Waiting for mail (2011-03-03 11:13) 




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I am waiting for a letter from the Scottish Genealogy Society in Edinburgh, Scotland. I found a reference to 
Catherine Fisher, wife of Hugh Forgey, in Donald Whyte's A dictionary of Scottish emigrants to the USA. A 

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book I found at Google books. The author deposited his source material at the Scottish Genealogy Society 
library. I requested a copy of the source material for Catherine Fisher and her father Archibald Fisher. I 
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and Catherine Fisher, and a list of the names of their children. They lived in Hawkins County and Knox 
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Working the problem (2011-03-04 09:25) 




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I have been working the Andrew Forgey parent problem from several angles. Collecting as much as I can 

from records generated in his lifetime is one strategy. The only thing I have gleaned from this is the fact 

that he was born in Tennessee, he consistently stated this in every census. I have located his obituary in the 

Davenport Iowa Democrat which states he was born in Knox County, Tennessee. 

Another strategy has been to trace all 15 of his children in hopes that they may have mentioned the names 

of Andrew's parents. I have located some county history bios and obits. Only Elias mentions his father's 

origins: 



parents being Andrew J, and Ann (Roller) 
Forgey, natives of Tennessee aM WesL Vir- 

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So Elias echoes his father's Tennessee origins. I am glad that I tracked down the original book because a 
transcription I found somewhere else was wrong. I found out that if you request a copy of a page from a 
book it is best to use the librarian chat feature if it is available. The librarian scanned the page for me and 
I got it in an hour :D. 

I've also worked the problem by searching his stated Tennessee birthplace records. By process of elimination 
I came up with Hugh Forgey and Catherine Fisher as probable parents. I have not found Catherine Fisher in 
any records generated during her lifetime. I have only found her mentioned in Donald Whyte's A Dictionary 
of Scottish Emigrants to the USA and Palma Carmen Scheumack's Reynolds family letters with the journal 
of Robert Bannon Reynolds. 

I have been able to find Hugh Forgey's probable father in records generated during his lifetime here is 
a timeline based on those records: [3]http://sites. google.com/site/theforgeys/hugh-forgey- timeline-begins- 
1786-ends-1809 There are no censuses for eastern Tennessee before 1830. 

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Dr. Bill (William L.) Smith (2011-03-05 09:38:10) 

Welcome to the Geneabloggers family. Hope you find the association fruitful; I sure do. I have found it most stimu- 
lating, especially some of the Daily Themes. 
May you keep sharing your ancestor stories! 
Dr. Bill ;-) 

http : //drbilltellsancestorstories .blogspot .com/ 
Author of "Back to the Homeplace" 
and "13 Ways to Tell Your Ancestor Stories" 

http://www.examiner.com/x-53135-Springfield-Genealogy-Examiner 
http://www.examiner.com/x-58285-Ozarks-Cultural-Heritage-Examiner 

Annette (2011-03-05 11:50:27) 

Hi Bill Thanks very much for the nice comment! 



Where to next? (2011-03-05 10:39) 




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Hello Annette, 

Thank you for your payment, the information you requested will be posted to you on the 6 march '11 

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Regards 

Jan Rea 

I just received this reply from the Scottish Genealogy Society regarding the source material I requested. 
Unfortunately it may take some time to get reply so I am brainstorming about other avenues of research in 
the mean time. It does appear that earlier researchers on the Forgey line have seen documents that I have 
not located. I have no idea what what the sources are? Need the marriage source for Hugh Forgey and 
Catherine Fisher, and names of children. 



1. I have searched all of the microfilms available from FHCs for Hawkins and Knox County, Tennessee, Lee 
County, VA and Scott County, VA for the time period in question. 

2. Fve also written to the Knox County Archives and received documents from their indexed sources 
(unfortunately not all records are indexed), 

3. Of course Fve done many hours of internet research :D. What Next? 1. Keep researching on internet 
:D! 2. Catherine Fisher's father Archibald did leave probate records in Randolph County Illinois. He did 
mention her husband Hugh Forgey, but not Catherine. There may be more documents which I have not 
found, such as Court minutes? 3. I believe an Archibald Forgey may be my Andrew Forgey's brother. I 
found out from the BLM GLO that Archibald Forgey served in the War of 1812. I may find something more 
about his origins in those records? 4. I have not visited Tennessee and believe this might be the best way to 
solve this problem. 

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Second Look Sunday (2011-03-06 10:08) 




[1] 

Sunday is a nice quiet day for taking a second look at some websites. When one of my Facebook friends 
found a War of 1812 land warrant image in the image patent section of the [2]BLM GLO database I took a 
second look and found this warrant for Andrew's probable brother Archibald Forgey. 

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[3] 

I am not finding very much when I retry searches at ancestry and Familysearch . If you are past the vital 
records and the census stage these databases become a little less helpful. Family search however has now 
become very helpful regarding Nicaraguan records which I can't access any other way. Google books has 
become extremely helpful, specifically with county histories. 

Time to do some re-researching :D. I think I will take a look again at the 1830 Census and make sure Hugh 
Forgey is not on it. 

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2. http: //www.glorecords .blm.gov/ 

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TCasteel (2011-03-06 17:15:32) 

The BLM is one place I have been meaning to get to but haven't yet. .Thank you for reminding me of this resource! 

Time to start digging! 

Regards, 

Theresa 

(Tangled Trees) 

Jennifer (2011-03-06 18:44:12) 

I need to re-search that resource also. It's been quite some time since I used it and I probably have some new names 

to look for. :) 

Welcome to the geneablogging world. :) 

Jennifer 

www . climbingmyf amily tree, com 

Annette (2011-03-06 19:31:40) 

Thanks very much Jennifer and Theresa for the comments! 

MHD (2011-03-07 10:35:47) 

Hi, Annette! 

I haven't seen you at the FHC or the library for a while. It's good to know you are still researching. Congrats on 

your blog - it looks great! 

Annette (2011-03-07 11:54:36) 

Hi Marie! Very nice to hear from you :)! Thank very much for the nice comment! No I have not been able to make it 
to the FHC lately :(. I have been caring for my elderly mother pretty much round the clock. Now that she's improved 
some I do plan on ordering some more films at the FHC. Took a look at your blog which looks great too! 

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52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History: Disasters (2011-03-07 11:15) 




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The picture above was taken in 1931 in Glendale California. California a place with it's share of natural 
disasters. My grandparent's Charles and Graciela Forgey settled in San Pedro California in 1925. 
My grandmother Graciela (pictured left back row, see above) being a native of disaster prone Nicaragua often 
talked about the Volcano Momotombo which erupted in 1905 when she was a teenager. She remembered 
the ash raining down. However my favorite story was related to an earthquake she experienced when she 
was a teenager. My grandmother tended to be a high strung person (a trait I inherited from her). So I can 
imagine her panic when the earth started moving violently. She was in her family's home when the quake 
struck. When everything started coming down around her she began running for the door; the only thing 
she could grab was a picture of the Virgin Mary from the wall. When everything calmed down she noticed it 
was NOT a picture of the Virgin Mary after all , it was a picture of Simon Bolivar :D. Her family wondered 
of all things why would she save a picture of Simon Bolivar? They had a great laugh about it. I have always 
wondered what she did see in that picture? Was it some kind of apparition??? 

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Annette Berksan (2011-03-13 13:15:20) 

Great story and photo. Thanks for the smile! :) 

Annette (2011-03-13 22:33:38) 

Thanks Annette for the nice comment :)! Nice to hear from another Annette :)! 



Locating Cousins (2011-03-08 09:57) 



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In Search of Cousins (2011-03-08 10:52) 



WANTED 



[i] 

I'm always looking to make contact with cousins. You never now what you will find. One of my distant 

cousins was executed (see death cert, below). 

I've been tracking down all of the children of Andrew Forgey and two other men I believe to be his brothers. 

I have had no luck tracking down descendants of James D. Owens. 

Andrew Forgey Cousin Contact List (Since Andrew Forgey had 15 children I still have many descendants to 

find) 

Descendants of 



1. James Forgey 

2. Elizabeth Anne Forgey 

3. Amos Forgey 

4. John Forgey 

5. Elias Forgey 

6. Clark Forgey 

Archibald Forgey Cousin Contact List: 
Descendants of: 



1. John A. Forgey 

2. Eleanor Forgey 

3. George Forgey 



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Sorting through old emails (2011-03-09 09:31) 




[1] 

At the Sunday Second Life genealogy discussion Clarise suggested connecting genealogy emails with families 
and individuals in your Genealogy Software program etc. I have been very bad when it comes to managing 
my email accounts :(. So I have thousands of emails in 4 accounts. Most of these are in the inbox. I am now 
forwarding most mail to gmail. I have now set up email filters at gmail to filter unwanted mail from certain 
addresses. I have also set up family folders, or as gmail calls them labels, for each family plus a general 
genealogy folder. I plan on keeping the boxes tidy now :D. 

I am now going to read through and copy them to my genealogy program notes. I have messages going back 
to 1999. An example of some great info I received via email, from Ireland, with wonderful family info: 
Hello. My name is John Huane. I am 13 years old. I am the son of Patrica and John Huane. After 
searching through your website I discovered I am a desendent of James Huane, Shanballybocht. He 
was my great, great, great grandad. His son Stephen is my great, great grandad and is buried in shan- 
ballybocht. He had a son called Thomas. He was mygreat grandad. He married Katie and they had 6 
children. Treasa, Patrick, Thomas, Stephen, James and John. My grandad was John. He married Nora and they 

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had 5 children. Thomas, Celia, Mary, Peter-James and John. They also had another son that died after birth. My 
dad is John who married Patrica and they have two children, me and my sister Niamh.If you want more 
imfortmation just email. Thanks very much. John 

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I Got Mail! (2011-03-10 12:52) 




[1] 

Received the letter I was waiting for from Scotland, YEAH! Much quicker than I expected :). It only took 
3 days. I now realize that I didn't get the full probate record for Archibald Fisher last year. I received the 
probate documents from Box 37. The researcher who provided the info for the book had pages 1 and 2 from 
Record book L. So I will need to try to locate this Record Book. The odd thing is this book looks like it is 
from the 20th Century? 

The references Robert Crawford Robertson used: 

1. Chronicles of the Scotch -Irish Settlement in Virginia Vol. pgs 140, 345, 351 + 353. Vol 3 pgs. 127+450. 
Lyman Chalkley Commonwealth Printing Co., Rosalyn, Va 

2. Washington Co. Va. Petition to the Va. House of Delegates, 6 Nov 1777. The East. Tenn. Hist. Soc. 
Pvt., Knoxville, Tenn. no 21 (1949) p 103-4. 

3. Marriage bond between Archibald Fisher and Elizabeth Sharp. 11 Dec 1797, Knoxville, Tenn. 
(photostat in possession of the person submitting this sheet) 

4. Illustrated Historical Atlas Map of Randolph Co., Ill P 54. W. R. Briute + Co. 1875 

5. Continued History of Randolph , Monroe and Perry Cos., 111. p 313. J. L. Mc Donnogh + Co. 1883 

6. Will of Archibald Fisher. Record Book L, p 1-2, Records Office, Chester (Randolph Co) 111., K 

7. Records for the Term of Court, Christian Co., Ky. Mar 1805. Gisher- Dillingham P 156- 163. Court 
House, Hopkins ville, Ky. 

8. Pioneer Families of Randolph + Perry Counties, Illinois (corrected copies only - p 33 a) 

Privately printed Robert Crawford Robertson M.D. 1961. 

Archibald Fisher lived in Augusta Co. VA, 1767- 1773 where he owned land; in Stanley Valley, Hawkins 
Co., Tenn. (then Washington Co. Va.) where he owned land in 1777 signed the second petition to Va. by 
north of Holston (River) men? ; in Knoxville, Tenn. where he ? (4)+ owned land; and abt. 1802 moved to 

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Randolph Co., 111., settling in Springfield Township on nine mile creek just west of Kaskaskia River near the 
present town of Ellis Grove, where he developed a farm + died. 

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Analysis (2011-03-11 10:38) 



lived round the Teunessee liesuLwaterHj and alao in 
direct cwutuutricatiou with North Carolina, to which 
State they belonged. It wan not until 17TS thnt a 
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I 've been analyzing the info I received yesterday. It was my understanding that the Stanley Valley TN area 
was originally part of North Carolina. Since receiving the info yesterday I have a different understanding. 
That area was also in the legal jurisdiction of Virginia. 

Robert Crawford Robertson sent a family group sheet with some sources to Scottish Genealogist Donald 
White in 1963. Some thoughts: 



1. I don't feel like he has proven that Archibald Fisher came from Scotland. If he had proof it has not 
been shared here. Archibald may have come from Ireland? 

2. He doesn't provide sources for all marriages. 

3. He was not able to link children to any specific mother. 

4. I was able to find Archibald Fitcher (Fisher) listed on a transcription for the 1777 petition at the 
website [2] http : / /robertson- ancestry.com/ 1 777-pet .htm 



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Tracking Down Sources (2011-03-12 11:21) 




[1] 

I have been earnestly tracking down the sources listed on that family group sheet I received. I took a break 
this morning and attended a webinar titled "Reasonably Exhaustive Search?". It was very good and that is 
certainly my goal. 

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I have been surprisingly successful tracking down the sources using the internet alone. 

After locating and reading the passage, on page 313 of A Combined History of Randolph, Monroe and Perry 
Counties, II, I have had to change my opinion regarding whether Archibald was born in Scotland. I now 
believe it is more likely than not that he was born there: 

■ laughter uf Hlacy M<rD-jui)U£h befure mentioned. Mr.-. 
Million was burn March 17 lb., 1808, on thf gld McDcw ".i^h 
plaev within a in.!. -<i' wfcer* eha now !itw. ![>■ lerved m 
the Itla-k-l Imvk KB.T. One nf the r-.trly settler* in the. 
rictajtj of Bllil I rrnve,wU William Fuller, a son nf An:M- 
hnlil Fii-SiMf,, wh<i etinie fri'in Scotland to A hi - 1 . ■ -in" tuna 
befbfiB the |{vvnKaiun«ry war, and settled Hr^t in South 
Di nil in i *ttd afterward in TenneiKe, where bu mm Will in hi 
marri-.il Auti White. He wu the Either of the Archibald 
I'i-litT, irho received his grandfather'* name, and «m hart 
in Teaneeiea, lii 1804 William Fisner mowd. to l{_n<i<d»h 
county, QJinota, and Killed i* rep mil.-.- nort&««£ of EJLa 
Grove. Archibald ua* at th»liniea boj of threat yuan. 
The Bollinger Family were aimmg the ear! V Stiller* uf liaa- 
dulph county. Tln-y were natives of Tenneaea, where they 

were ti n u in croua and Well (too wit fa hi r I y- T * 1 1 1 1 . ] I lu I ti n p-r 
catae with his father to Elltfl Grant abuUl 1-828. In [873 
he Hpeijfld a store in EllU Grove. In 187< he waa appoint- 
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Will or Administration???? (2011-03-13 10:24) 



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Will. A year ago I received 22 pages of what I thought was an intestate administration? Oddly the reference 
I found to Hugh Forgey did mention a Will? So I had felt that maybe I had not received everything available, 
which has now been confirmed. I found another reference to a Will yesterday at google books, see snippet 
Below ( from Branching out from St. Clair County, Illinois, page 101). According to that the names of 
Archibald's sons-in-law are mentioned. At least I infer that two are because of what I have and this reference? 
Friday afternoon I emailed the Randolph County Court House and hope to receive a reply tomorrow. 



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of John STEEII. fla-tea on John STE5LE appfiarad in Vol. ?, [to- 2 of 
"Branching Out'" on page 50-51- Urn, SPURGKSrt'n latter follonai 

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Special Report (2011-03-13 19:35) 




[1] 

The Will I am looking for is not in the Will book but the deed book. "The early deed books contain 
some marriages, wills, powers of attorney." Deed book L covers the time period in question Deeds v. L-M 
1804-1815. Will book L covers the wrong time period. 

I've been reading through the 22 pages of probate documents I have. Archibald Fisher's estate was handled 
initially like an intestate probate. Evidently a Will was discovered at some point and recorded with the 
deeds. 

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Archibald Fisher Timeline (2011-03-14 10:35) 




[1] 

Waiting for mail again :D! It sounds like the Will is the only source document regarding the marriage of 
Hugh Forgey and Catherine Fisher. The Archibald Fisher Will is going to be a great source document, and 
may have some additional leads. Anxious to get it! 

Made the following timeline based on internet research using the Robert Crawford Robertson group sheet 
sources (I just noticed that Archibald has a wife named Jane in 1777): 

Kegley 's Virginia frontier: the beginning of the Southwest 



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i-tLTtiif)' i», ttm, jotui Aimer — survey, 10* acres uii i-iuiwrm. 

Fehrusrv 13. 17G7. tVnnrin Hmitlk — Purvey , 154 w;rrs +in l^all"* 111::, 
bplirwiiy **- 1707. JiW[i!i MpMurtry fnsin t'.nUon'i i'iit iitors lit 1/16; 
IM Heron on John'* Creek of Crafc'n Creek, \u, l>. Kk. IS, S9t. 

March S, l?tR. Arctutalii Fi«1wr from J*m«i McAfee and Jcnnri. £SS. 

ISO: wit* on CiIilyvIih h>J Junu\-, iiivrr. jtiiriiow Julill ISrjuti, Ajipmile [lit im>U[]l 

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Fisher — 31 

acras an bdh sides of Cslawba; Francis Smith — 165 acres on branch of 

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Israel Christian vs. U"slliim Curry. — IJe tendant near Staunton. Account. 

Same vs, William McOinlock. — *<«ount. 

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vs. James Robiiiioii. — yell AugnM, I ~Sli. Sujaim:i Shiulrinn {alias- Fisher}, 
adminiMralriji of Marritw Shathlun ivrears iliai hci" laic huslianil stain] the 
account vs. Janses Rubisixm . The iiKMity was due train George Robinson, 



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:>!i-i iicrea on Catawlw. 

May 13. 1777, William Wclili. (nun I'ntton's Efctrukir*— 1** *erc« oil a 
branch «r t'Altiwou, 

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ISO acres on CktMnfc. 

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It sounds like Archibald Fisher received a warrant for land in Sullivan County, TN in 1780. 

He received a grant for land in Sullivan County, TN in 1784. 

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He sold this land in 1788: William Gross in 1788 paid Archibald Fisher "130 pounds cash" for 300 acres in 
Hawkins County. 

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What other Records are available? (2011-03-15 09:56) 



What other records are available? (2011-03-15 11:00) 




[1] ^^^^^" 

I was able to locate another bit of info which was listed on group sheet Archibald's daughter's grave Mary 
Fisher-Steele. It says that she was born 61 years and five months before her death on 18 May 1819. She is 
older than I estimated her sister Catherine Fisher-Forgey to be. 

I have been looking for more info on available records for Tennessee. I have found this outline to be 
the best so far [2]http://jefferson. tngenealogy.net/research-aids/56-researc h-guidance/547-research-in-early- 
tennessee-records-by-prentiss-pri ce . If anyone has an outline with more resources please let me know? 

1. I have looked at New Providence Presbyterian Church records for Hawkins County, TN (which Brian 
French transcribed) 

2. Court minutes for both Knox County and Hawkins County. 

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3. Land records for both Hawkins and Knox. 

4. Marriage Records for all of Tennessee 

5. Cemetery Records available on internet for all of Tennesseee 

6. The Newspaper the Knoxville Gazette 

7. Partial Taxlists Knox and Hawkins Counties 

8. Published Reynold Family Letters and the writings of Hugh Forgey Crawford (Forgey was his middle- 
name; transcribed by Kenneth Edmondson) 

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2. http: //Jefferson. tngenealogy.net/research-aids/56-research-guidance/ 
547-research-in-early-tennessee-records-by-prentiss-price 



52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History- Illness and Injury (2011-03-16 09:38) 

Written by my great grandmother Isis Browning-Forgey (pictured with her sister right, right) 
Ewing, Jackson County Indiana Nov. 27 1907 (she died a few months later of TB) 




"[1] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^_ I am writing these few lines this beautiful morning to express my last wants 
and wishes as to who of my friends I wish to take possession of my remains after my Spirit has flown to a 
world unknown where the veil shall be lifted and what has been such mysteries in this world to us will be 
revealed and the mist shall be cleared away and we shall know as we are known. And our Dear Savior has 
told us in my father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a 
place for you, so that where I am, there you may be also. Now I am going to tell the wish that is dearest to 
my heart of anything in this world is that some sweet day I may be able to stand on the banks of the New 
Jerusalem and clasp glad hands with each and everyone that is near and dear to me in this world. Husband 
and children, mother, sisters, brothers, neighbors and friends wherever they may be scattered over this great 
world of ours. I ask each and every one of you that have been mentioned in these lines where I have asked 
you as my last requests to see to my wishes when I am no more, for each and every one to ever be ready to 
speak a kind and cheering word to companion my children and put out a hand to check them if you see they 
are drifting away. Stop and ask them if they have forgotten all Mother's advice and teachings. Under the 
circumstances that came in contact with my short life here, I have done my best to make them know and 
understand that each of us has a soul to save and each of us has to save ourselves. Day before Thanksgiving 
and I am feeling weak and bad, had a bad night of it last night. Tomorrow will be my 38 th birthday, the last 
one I ever expect to see. The ones I have selected to get me ready for burial are Eunice Hudson, Florence 
Hughes, Mary Bell, Bell Bower. My clothes will all be ready except dress and slippers. I want a black robe, 

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to not cost over $15.00 and black cloth slippers. My casket I want to be neat , but not too expensive. I 
prefer Mr. Zable as undertaker. I want to be taken to the Methodist church. As my pall bearers I want 
Rose Jackson, Addie Parker, Laura Braden, Ella Mann, Rose Myers, and Laura Rotert. For ushers I want 
Sherman Jackson and Sam Braden. I want Charlie Tinch to play the organ. I want him to select his own 
choir and songs. I want all my near relatives and friend notified. I don't want to be put away too quick 
or kept too long. I want Alice Braden to stay with Inez every bit she possibly can and cheer her up so she 
won't feel so lonesome. 

Tell them all not to grieve for me unnecessarily. I would rather have Brother Smith than any minister I 
know of, but if it is not convenient to get him, the Methodist preacher at Freetown will do. I would not like 
to be buried in the new Freetown cemetery. I would much rather be put in the old one, although if they 
want to put Mona there they may lay me beside her. The chapter I want read is the 2 nci chapter of First 
Corinthians." 



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Annette Berksan (2011-03-19 12:04:55) 

Wow. This is such a moving part of your family history. Thanks for sharing it. 



Happy St. Patrick's Day! (2011-03-17 09:20) 




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today. I believe I may have found his death date on the familysearch index for 1929? Both Patrick and Mary 
Mullen were alive in 1911, see census below. Hoping that the 1926 Census for Ireland is released soon :)! 

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Michelle Goo-drum (2011-03-17 11:00:30) 

I have chosen you for the One Lovely Blog Award. Please stop by The Turning of Generations at http://www. turning 

of-generations.blogspot.com/ to pick up your award. 

Annette (2011-03-17 15:02:31) 

Michelle, Thanks very much! I really appreciate that! Very kind of you! 



Decisions and Discrepancies (2011-03-18 09:12) 



DECISIONS TODAY- 
ALL OF TOM WRONG. 



[1] 

Pondering some new facts that have come to light. Someone badly miscalutated the date that my great- 
grandmother Isis Browning-Forgey wrote the letter I transcribed below. They had 15 Nov 1907. I never 
noticed that before. I knew that Isis was born on 27 Nov 1869 according to her death Certificate. She 
said she was writing the letter the day before Thanksgiving and her birthday. I looked to see what day 
Thanksgiving fell on in 1907. It fell on the 28th. So it looks like I might have the wrong day of birth for 
her? I guess I should track down more sources for her birth date. 

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I did do some Patrick Mullen research. I am searching for a death record using the Civil Registration Index 
for Ireland at Familysearch.org. I thought there was just one possibility but actually there are 3 :(. One is 
for a Pat Mullin which is the way he sometimes signed his name. 



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I'ntrirk Mullen 


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Tuam 


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registration quarter and year 


Apt -Juri 192 7 


estimated birth year 


18S1 


age (at death) 


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Phi Mulltri 


registration dfetrkt: 


Tuam 


event type. 


DEATHS 


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Oct - Dec 1 929 


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1851 


age ; et cestui: 


78 


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name Patrick Mullin 

registration district: Tuam 

event Cyfju DEATHS 

registration quarter and year: Apr - Jun "\ 932 

estimated birth year- 1 SS5 

age (at death): 77 
mother's maiden name: 

film number 1 01739 

volume number. A 

page number: 259 

digital folder number 4202046 

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Sorry Wrong Office (2011-03-19 10:04) 




[1] 

I originally contacted the wrong office for a copy of Archibald's WilLl I forgot to call them off the search, 
SORRY! 

Anyway she agreed with me that the file in her office seems to point to NO Will. The 22 pages of documents 
which were filed in a box are difficult to interpret. They do use the term Executor which points to a Will? 
As the email states below there seems to a reference to the absence of a Will? 

I thought I was losing my mind when I missed the existence of a will :D. It makes me feel better that the 
Clerk of the Court was confused too :D. 

"To date I have found a will for Archibald Fisher who died Sept. 18, 1878. I have found a file for an Archibald 
Fisher who likely died in 1805 but there is no will. There is a Court document that seems to refer to the 
absence of a will. I could provide that record to you. There is a cost of $4.00 for the search of that year 
and a cost of $2.00 for the copies that would be needed (4 page document). You can send a check of money 
order made payable to the Randolph County Circuit Clerk and I will forward the document to you." 

Barb Brown 

Clerk of the Court 

HOPE TO GET A LETTER FROM THE CORRECT OFFICE SOON!!!! 

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Archibald Fisher Will (2011-03-19 18:42) 



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The Envelope Please... (2011-03-20 09:13) 



[1] 




When I finally got my hands on the envelope from the Randolph County Clerks office I RIPPED IT OPEN! 
It did read as I hoped that Catherine Forgey was the daughter of Archibald Fisher here is an excerpt: 

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However as I read on I became very confused again because a paragraph after the will stated that Archibald 
Fisher died intestate??? Didn't I just read the will :D? This was cleared up on the third page when the 
administrator John Beard stated the following "Archibald Fisher. ...appointed his son John Fisher Executor 
of the said will + the said John dying before the death of the said Arch the subscriber did not believe it 
necessary to prove the said will but having been lately informed that the said will aught to have been proved 
+ letters of adminstration granted..." (can't make out the rest). So the will was later brought to the court 
and filed in the Deed book L. 

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(2011-03-20 10:48) 




[1] 

The reason John Fisher could not act as executor for his father Archibald is he was "killed when stabbed in 
the back by Michael Dillngham in a dispute arising over a card game." He died on 20 Dec 1804 in Hopkinsville 
KY. 



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Genealogy Marathon (2011-03-21 11:04) 




[1] 

Yesterday was the rainy Los Angeles Marathon. I feel like I have been on a genealogy marathon the last 
few months. After the holidays I plunged back into genealogy with full zeal. I joined the Second Life 
Genealogy community where I got many great tips and was inspired to make an extra effort to knock down 
my brickwalls. 

My renewed zeal has paid off :D! I have made great progress on my brickwalls and met several goals this 
year already. Since receiving the sources from Scotland a couple of weeks ago I have put in many hours a 
day verifying these sources. It's been a real genealogy marathon. I met my goal regarding finding the 
source for the marriage of Hugh Forgey and Catherine Fisher (which was the will). 



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great-grandfather Fred G. Mason in the City Directory for 1910. Last night I looked at the Census again 
using the address I found but still no luck. According to the Directory the family lived in a rear unit so they 
were likely missed for that reason. Sadly that was the only Census the entire family would have appeared 
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Identifying Possible Sources & Inspiration (2011-03-22 10:53) 

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marathon :D. The embedded preview above is one of the books I am really enjoying! Laura Ingles Wilder and 
her books sparked my interest in history and family history. I am also reading The Appalachian Frontier. 
I have been also thinking about possible future research. Some thoughts about possible sources. I didn't 
know that Knox County was formed from portions Greene County and Hawkins County, TN. I should check 
Greene County records. 

I was also thinking I need to locate manuscript collections. 
Biographies for neighboring families might contain source material. 
More research in Court Records in both Randolph and Knox County, TN. 
I am always looking for cousins who may have sources in their homes. 

The TSLA has a manuscript collection [3]http://www. tennessee.gov/tsla/history/manuscripts/manu. htm ha 
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52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History- Movies (2011-03-23 11:17) 

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I would have to say that Gosford Park ties with Gone with the Wind as number 1 favorite movies. I also 
enjoyed the Harry Potter movies, and old classics such as A Tree Grows in Brooklyn and I Remember Mama. 
I never really enjoyed going to the movie theater to see a movie very much. I've always preferred the com- 
fortable surroundings of home. My father wanted me to see his favorite childhood movie the Wizard Of OZ 
in a movie theater. He took me to the Star Movie Theater in La Puente in the 1970's, and I do remember 
enjoying that experience! My mother and her family went to that same theater to see movies in the 1940's 
and 1950's. Sadly it later became a XXX Theater. 



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Interesting Find (2011-03-25 15:30) 



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I made this new find at google books. I have found a probate reference for a John Forgey on a Hawkins 
County TN Probate index in 1793. I wonder if the person referred to here as John Forges is the same person? 
Or is this transcription wrong and the person living adjacent to Hugh really Andrew Forgey? I need to locate 
the original deed. The lack of surviving records makes identification of John Forgey very difficult. There is 
only a reference to the probate the actual probate records no longer can be found. Who this John Forgey 
was and his relationship to the other Forgeys is a mystery? Definitely more research needs to be done in the 
deed records! 

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Picture Mystery and Future Book (2011-03-26 17:43) 



[1] 




I have been doing some picture research using the 1930 Census for Glendale California. The picture above 
is a favorite of mine even though I don't know who the person is. It's a photo of a neighbor of my Forgey 
Family when they lived on Acacia Street in Glendale California. After looking at the Census I've narrowed 
down her identity to two possible neighbor girls Dorris M. Wollard b. 1922 or Mary Wright? My mother told 
me that there was a blood stain on that porch where she is sitting. There was a rumor that it was stained 
when someone died there? They could not get the stain off. 



I attended Lisa Alzo's webinar Life Stories: How to Write a Compelling Family History Narrative 

. It was very good! I really enjoyed it! If I can just get one more generation back on the Forgey line I will 
definitely write a digital book :). Her advice about using national, local and personal history will create a 
great frame work for the book. Using a timeline and having a goal in mind will also help steer me in the right 
direction. I might start laying out a book, but wait until I nail down the final generation before publishing. 



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Fun at the Cemetery... (2011-03-27 12:57) 




[1] 

Elizabeth Taylor's burial at Forest Lawn Glendale brought back a lot of memories for my mother and I. 
My mother's family, the Forgeys, basically lived next door to Forest Lawn in the 1930's. The cemetery was 
a source of entertainment for the family. My grandmother Forgey would take walks through the cemetery 
with her children. My grandmother Forgey loved the movies and occasionally they would spot a movie star 
visiting a grave or even see famous people attending a funeral. 




[2] ^BBIHKBI My mother and her siblings often played at the cemetery and 

sometimes took flowers off the graves and gave them to my grandmother :D. They could be naughty! One of 
the most interesting stories is how they were locked in the cemetery when they stayed too long one evening. 
Sounds like the 5 Forgey children were having a jolly time stealing flowers etc. and forgot the time. When 
they discovered they got locked in they walked all over the cemetery looking for another way out. When it 
started getting dark they became frightened about bats possibly attacking them and ghosts coming out to 
the graves. My mother talked about how they started getting panicky and got their shoes stuck in the flower 
holders. Luckily my grandparents noticed their absence and contacted the cemetery attendant who searched 
for them. The group was very happy to see the attendant and they all piled into his truck. 

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Nan (2011-03-28 04:10:04) 

Annette, I really enjoyed this story. I can visualize the children locked in the cemetery. That's one of those experiences 

that's not so pleasant as it is happening but makes one heck of a story to tell later! 

Annette (2011-03-28 10:18:11) 

Nan, Thanks very much for the nice comment :)! I am glad you enjoyed it! In retrospect it is a great story :). 



Book Sale Bible (2011-03-28 17:57) 



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About 25 years ago at a Whittier Public Library Book Sale I purchased a bible for 50 cents. I bought it 
because I was so moved by the entries of the family births and deaths. Godfrey Engstrum died only 4 weeks 
after his birth at 2 am; very sad. There is no surname listed in the bible. Now with the help of the internet 
I am able to learn more about the family who owned this bible :). The inside cover reads "To Victor from 
Mother 1880." Using the name Victor, the childrens' names and their place of residence I was able to find 
the family on the 1900 Census and discover their surname Engstrum. I found a biographical sketch for the 
Lawrence Emmanuel listed above at rootsweb.com 

[2]http://www. rootsweb.ancestry.com/ wytttp/history/bartlett2/l _e _engstrum.htm 

I have also found Victor and his wife's tombstone picture at find-a-grave 

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52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History- Sweets (2011-03-30 10:54) 



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[2] I ^^^^fl I I was definitely a sugar addict when I was child! My suppliers 

generally brought truckloads of sweets right to the curb in front of my house. Namely the ice cream man 
and the Helms Bakery truck man. The trucks certainly moved slow in front of my house :D. They knew a 
good customer when they saw one! Being an only child I had money to spend. I remember fondly the Pixy 
sticks, sheets of salt water taffy, wacky packs (pictured right), and candy necklaces. 

Strange Things Children Eat 



I remember when I couldn't satisfy my pixy stick addiction with the real thing I would eat Jello Powder. 
That was against the rules in my house because it could turn into a messy sticky glue like substance when 
wet. I wonder if anyone was able to get it off the garage floor in our old house? 



I also ate water softner salt at a neighbor's house. I still recall how it burned going down. I often wonder 
whether that did any permanent damage? 



I also remember daring a little boy named Jason to drink a bottle of perfume :D. I did not think he actually 
would, but he did. Don't know how he felt later? 



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Where oh where did their Genealogy Records go? (2011-03-31 07:37) 



[1] [reynolds+ill+grave. JPG] 
Gov. John Reynolds St. Clair Illinois 



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[2] 
Where? 

William G. Livingstone, Lt. Commdr., US Navy, of Pasadena, CA, and Palma Scheumack of Pine Arizona 
both did extensive reseach on the Reynolds line. They also ran across info on my Forgey line. The information 
regarding Hugh Forgey and his wife Catherine Fisher came from their research. Unfortunately they researched 
before computers and access to the info they collected is difficult. They have both passed away, and I have 
no idea where they may have deposited their research? 

I have been trying to track down more info about Palma Schemack on the internet. There is surprisingly 

little about her on the internet. Sometimes you can locate relatives of someone at US Search even if they 

are deceased. No relations were listed for her? Could find no obituary either. Don't know her maiden 

name? I guess it may have been Reynolds? I checked one the the local genealogy societies where she lived : 

[3]http://www. rootsweb.ancestry.com/ azngcgs/familyhistories.h tml 

There are some references to Reynolds genealogies but nothing with her name on them. I would love to see 

what she collected regarding the Forgeys. Need to track these records down somehow? 

Some of William G. Livingstone's research is presented at the Reynolds Family Association website: 

[4]http://www. reynoldsfamily.org/line30/index. html . Unfortunate ly he does not list many sources. 

Both the Reynolds Family (Hugh Forgey's mother was from this family) and the Fisher Family (Hugh 

Forgey's in-laws) migrated from Tennessee to southwestern Illinois. Hugh Forgey's cousin John Reynolds 

became Governor of Illinois in 1830 (see picture above). He was a member of the US House of Representatives 

from 1834 to 1837 and 1839 to 1843. 



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http : //www . reynoldsf amily . org/line30/index . html 



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1.2 April 

John Reynolds Biography (2011-04-01 07:37) 

IFRAME: [l]http://books.google.com/books?id=jI9BAAAAYAAJ &lpg=PA300 &ots=MEHR8VeJP4 
&dq= %22robert %20reynolds %22 %20randolph %20county %20illinois &pg=PA300 &output=embed 

Great find at Google Books! It looks like the Reynolds family researchers drew heavily from this book. 
It's nice to find the source material they used :D! It was 97 degrees here today and a little hard to get my 
head around all of this today :)! A lot to think about. According to this account Robert Reynolds, Margaret 
Reynolds Forgey's nephew, was born in Co. Monaghon Ireland. His wife was from Dundulk Co. Louth. 
Creggan Co. Armagh would have been close to these places. This does support what was found in the 1766 
Religious Census for Ireland; and Creggan as their place of origin. Hugh Reynolds must have migrated to 
Creggan. The Reynolds family has been in Co. Monaghon for 300 years according to a family member still 
living in that area. 

Joseph Beaird is mentioned as a cousin of John Reynolds. Below is a snippet from Palma Scheumack's 
Reynolds Family Letters. I can sort of see now why Joseph and his brothers were thought of as cousins. 



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One Big Family (2011-04-02 09:56) 



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[1] I I had no idea how closely these families were associated with 

each other until reading their histories at Google Books. When I got the Archibald Fisher Probate records 
last year I noticed Robert Reynolds' had purchased some items from the estate sale. I figured he was probably 
related to Margaret Reynolds-Forgey. Now I know he was her nephew. John Beaird and his children devel- 
oped close ties with Robert Reynolds and his children. Both men lived in Knox County, TN and migrated 
to southwestern Illinois. Since both the Beairds and Reynoldses were related to Hugh Forgey and Catherine 
Fisher I am hoping that those families may have some info about the Forgeys? The Reynolds family did 
write letters. I don't know whether the Beaird family wrote many letters? My plans are now to contact the 
Mesa Arizona FHC. Palma Scheumack had a collection of Reynolds family letters and may have used that 
FHC or deposited some of her research there? Hopefully I can get a lead on where her genealogy records 
may be? 



I found two references today to the relationship between the Beaird family and the Reynolds family. Ac- 
cording to Gov. John Reynolds a connexion of his father married John Beaird. 

New river, (if thru Otitic IIocshed to Tanocmau in the jcor 1'aT, 
and married ft conntviftn of nvy father. Hfl W*3 JoenlttS On Ihnfrtm- 
liflrs ^f Kjioi ecmnty, TeiinGuce, Trhila Iha Cheroliea tndLiiia ftL-r,; 
hostile. <vwl (Ltd much dnmnjc to) the auUkinsD'j in the northern B-tc- 

The reference I found in the History of St. Clair Illinois alludes to a kinship relationship. Palma Scheumack 
did not believe there was a blood relationship. Reynolds 'cousins, i.e. Hugh Forgey's children, were cousins 
of John Beaird's children. Sort of a convoluted relationship :D. 

"John Beaird was a prominent citizen of Knox County, Tennessee, which county he represented in the Ten- 
nessee Legislature. He was usually selected as leader when the community had trouble with the Indians. 
He was brave, energetic, and a successful Indian fighter. He came with his family to Illinois in 1801 and 
settled four miles from Kaskaskia. His son, Joseph, lived for some years in Cahokia, and was a member 
of the Legislature for several terms. The family was related to that of Governor Reynolds, and when John 
Reynolds, afterward Governor, started out to practice law, he made his home for a time with Joseph Beaird, 



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at Cahokia. William A. Beaird, another son of John Beaird, naturally possessed a good mind, but obstinately 
refused to get an education or to receive any information thru the medium of books. However, by observation 
and experience, he did acquire much practical knowledtge. He never married. He served as Sheriff of St. 
Clair County from 1815 to 1830. He died in Belleville in 1843." 



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Assembling the Puzzle... (2011-04-03 08:10) 



[1] [800px-Knollwood-bearden-hill-knoxville-tnl . jpg] 
Knollwood Home of Robert B. Reynolds 



I have found the family histories for the Reynolds family complicated and confusing. Everyone seems to 
have their own complicated numbering system etc., which they understand but is difficult for an outsider 
to interpret. After looking for several days now at everything I've collected on the family I now understand 
who's who. 

Three Reynolds siblings migrated to America from Ireland, Margaret Reynolds was the first to come with 
her husband Andrew Forgey abt. 1768. A little more than a decade later her brother James Reynolds and 
sister Ellen Reynolds followed, around 1785. James and Ellen lived near their sister briefly then relocated to 
Knox County, TN. 

James Reynolds had two sons John and Robert. Robert migrated to Illinois around 1800. John remained 
in Knox County, TN. John was often referred to as the Major Reynolds. Hugh Forgey was taxed in John 
Reynolds Militia company in 1806 . 

John Reynolds had a son named Robert Bannon Reynolds who built the house Knollwood, pictured above. 
According to one of the Reynolds' researchers Robert Bannon visited James Reynolds Forgey in Surgoinsville 
at which time he shared the Reynolds family history? This is kind of odd because the Forgeys seemed to be 
acquainted with John Reynolds his father? It's strange they had not heard the family history before? 

Palma Scheumack was likely a descendant of Robert Bannon Reynolds because she had a needle point of 
Knollwood in her home? 

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John Beaird's Times (2011-04-04 07:46) 



[he summer of 17^5, the anger of !li<j settlers explode J into a backcounlry 
insurrcclkm against the federal injunction against war.-" 1 On |une IS, 1 7-yl , 
Captain |ohn Heaird and his militia not only entered Chcnnkicc territory bin 
a!lae.k«d Cherokees and federal ag*»ts ass*inhJiiig in a. Che rokee town n> 
travel to Philadelphia for treaty negotiations, killing, several Cherokee men 
.ind women and one white man .md wounding Nan-ye-hi's daughter, ESeiscy 
Martin, and Scrtlaeul tafs wife. Ueaird h s massacre prompted renewed hos- 
tilities Jurinj> which General John Sevier mounted 3 major fall offensive 
campaign against the Cherokee*, destroying a number of Cherokee town*. 
Daniel Smith, the secretary of (he territory ae ling in Blount's convenient 
absence, flouted the federal prohibition m\ offensive war U> authorise Sevier's 
campaign. Illegal forays* into Cherokee country continued into the next year 
against the Upper Towns, Finally, on September 7, 1794. the militia* struck 
the Uiickamaugans. In the fact of a specific federal directive prohibiting an 
assault on the Lower Towns, a combined force of 550 militiamen from Cum- 
berland under General lanles Roberts™, from eastern Tennessee under Ma- 
[or lames Ore, and from Kentucky under Colonel William Whitley attacked 
two of the major Lower Towns. They destroyed Nickajack and The Running 
Waltfr.-" 



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Hugh Forgey's brother in-law's life really reflected the times he lived in. I have been searching for more about 
him at Google Books. I have found more about his campaign against the Cherokees. There was a great 
deal of anger among the white settlers at that time because of the murder of a white man by the Cherokees. 
I guess John Beaird's attack was fueled by anger over this murder and previous murders. He received the 
support of the local white population in eastern Tennessee. 

He apparently also brought a slave into Indiana Territory (now southwestern Illinois) and a court case ensued. 
I would like to research this some more. Could not access the full case at Google Books. 

John's close associate Robert Reynolds petitioned to allow slaves to be brought into the area. He was also 
a pro-slavery delegate to the Convention called by Gov. Harrison. 

or <j«iv - 

Mtanwhile I. In- pru-stuTery sentiment J 1 ■,::. not nlmied. 
In tho fall of lo0£ Harrison went to the Illinois country 
to attend to afflcinl huauiesfl, said while there tho desira- 
bility of (La admisoion. of slavery was strongly urg«rf 

upon him, The Ordinance bad provided no made far 
ascertaining the conwcit of the pe4|iEft to an alteration of 

(he articles of -compact, but Governor HarriBon CS pressed 
his willingness to (all a cor. volition to consider the ex- 
pediency of the admiitfion of slavery into tho Territory, 

and other subjects mentioned in the memorial of 1301, 
r , if petitioned so to Jo. 1 Petitions were at once put in 

may have been, is that they opfxwed the introduction of 
fdavaiy.' The Randolph County dele gate* wars Pierra 
Menard, Robert Reynolds:, and Robert M,orrwon. a Me- 
nard waj the celebrated fur-trader who (served an th& 
first lieutenant-governor of Illinois. Reynolds was an 
Irish Protectant of broad, fltrong- mind ; he was the 
hither of Governor r-Loynnlifa- Robert MqrriiKm, a 
[3] brothee of William Moi-r-MJii, was a Pennsvlvtuiian who 

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Ttl* cjuzem at tUndD-Jph and St Uair l.imn- 
li*« r Ihcn a part of the Indian* Trnilrt(y, w-'ni 
(hia mfrnGfi*] U GungrrU "rtfiying » (liviiion at 
[ho IndinnH Territory, mul ntliiiiuJon of ilnvn 
lhl4 prtitl territory." H will lipfned by njmi* H!W 
]>«r»IU And MtiifmJ by Robert Key notch, "Vinr trf 
it.r United Sola' juirjcn, and judge of r4ttUnon 
p]*ii, in uid county." 



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Absconding Cousin (2011-04-05 07:42) 



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courts were abalbrfcd, r>i.«jit M*r..ird ; ItiiLi Hull wu (hrn r>rar 
cTfalh. Of 11il' arTirr jiidfT* n]i|ninl**| unijpr llie firs! pride af pa** 
cfjinwnl biiE liirt rreLviiniis*iiinpi[ when the eMiiliy CMiiMi urrc n- 
(flflMihiici! i-11 1801. J<4in Ikalrd and Kiitrrt Me.Mslkfi were erf- 
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According to Gov. John Reynolds his father Robert was persuaded, by glowing reports of New Spain which 

he heard from neighbors in Knox County, TN, to migrate to that area. Knox County Court Records give an 

alternate reason. 

"Of a certain Robert Reynolds at a court of pleas and quarter sessions of Knox County... who has since 

absconded is now (as your petitioner is informed) in the Spanish Dominions..." 

When the family arrived in the Spanish Dominions they found out they would be required to 

convert to Catholicism. They were Ulster Protestants and could never agree to such a thing. 

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tuiae Imf, nhildroo Catholic^ detetiu-ned liiu not tu liv« unJcr such 

rrQVWniDfflt., 

Mf fmhuf ami m ether were 1 cm nnrJ rai^jctt in IreUnl, in Ibo Tr-O- 

roi toslanlfiith, flrtJ woiiltlnot ooTiamtlfiliro in 11 U:ith<)Ei^c,)iinlrr. o .-. c -i 4-4-1 j- tit • m 

[2\ :.,.,..***.. ., . ,. „' . So the family settled m Illinois Country, 

east of the Mississippi, instead. The area west of the Mississippi was the Spanish Dominion. 

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52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History- Spring (2011-04-06 21:58) 




[1] 

Spring in California 

You know it's spring in Califonia when the hills are yellow with the blooms of the mustard plant. It's a nice 
change from the dry brown scrub which cover the hill sides the rest of the year. 

California has some beautiful gardens which are gorgeous in the Spring. The Huntington Library, Descanso 
Gardens, and the LA County Arboretum are great place to visit and enjoy the Spring :)! 

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Don't Know the History (2011-04-07 22:29) 



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[1] 

After attending several webinars on writing your family history I decided to get started writing about the 
Tennessee Forgeys. I soon realized that I did not have a good handle on the history of the area they came 
from :(. I have really been studying early maps and all of the early histories I can find online. The early 
history tends to be somewhat sketchy. I would like to use some statistics about the early population but I am 
finding that this kind of info was never recorded in late 18th Tennessee. I am finding some very interesting 
historical info to add to the family history however. 

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Need to Organize My Genealogy (2011-04-09 19:31) 

IFRAME : [1] http : / / www.youtube .com/embed/mr Wf6 VmK VCs 

I have been studying Myrt's April organizational checklist and looking at Elyse Dorflinger's videos. I have 
not been good when it conies to organizing my genealogy. I tend to organize every now and then but don't 
keep it up. My resolution for this year is to simplify everything so it isn't so challenging to maintain. Ease of 
access is definitely what I am striving for. I need to buy some file folders and hanging folders. I use binders 
also. The hanging folders will mainly contain misc. info and collateral lines. 
My email boxes and computer files need some more work too! 

1. http: //www.youtube. com/embed/mrWf 6VmKVCs 



Need a Filing System (2011-04-09 19:32) 

BYUtv - The Generations Project: Emily (2011-04-13 11:39) 

[l]BYUtv - The Generations Project: Emily 




[2] 

I really enjoyed this Generations Project episode! Emily brought up some questions that never occurred to 
me :D. It isn't everyday that someone shows up to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City asking how 
their ancestor smelled. Researchers were able to come up with a reasonably good answer for her. They drew 
a conclusion about what he likely smelled like from the occupation listed on the Census for him. They even 
found a description of the odors associated with his occupation (which was teamster). 

I have not put much thought into the self-esteem level of my ancestors either. I have noticed that some were 
more successful than others. I've also noticed that some siblings have been more successful than other. In 
the case of my Forgey family I have noted that James Forgey seemed to be financially better off than his 
brother my ancestor Hugh. His father Andrew seemed to favor James more than Hugh also. I don't know 
whether it affected his self-esteemed or not? 
Still working on organizing my genealogy. 

The Second Life meeting yesterday was done in voice chat. It was very interesting regarding government land 
records. I found out that cash purchase entries rarely contain anything other than the patent and receipt. 
My ancestors only purchased land this way, they did not homestead. 

1. |http://www.byutv.org/watch/1791-210?sms_ss^ bloggerfeat_xt=4da5edcel53c6fb8'/,2C0 

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52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History- Sports (2011-04-15 11:16) 




[1] 

In the late 1970's and early 1980's some of my best days were spent with by father at Dodgers' baseball 
games. That was a classic era in Dodger baseball. In Fielder's Steve Garvey, Ron Cey, Davy Lopes, and 
Steve Yeager behind the plate. I also remember Fernando mania. Whenever he pitched in his early career 
the stadium would be packed. 

We would always sit in the left field section so I could watch my favorite player Bill Buckner. 

Family nights and celebrity nights were some of my favorite. I remember getting Tony Danza's autograph 
at a celebrity night. I remember that he was one of the nicest celebrities I have ever met. I dropped my pen 
into the Dodger dugout and he retrieved it for me. 

We always ate a couple Dodger of dogs every game. There is nothing better than a tasty Dodger dog on a 
beautiful day at the stadium! 

Dodger Stadium has always been located in a bad section of Los Angeles, a gang ridden area. The recent 
beating of a fan really saddened me, but was not completely a surprise given the fact that gang members 
live in the area and attend games. Hopefully increased security will prevent this from happening again. 

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Amy Coffin, MLIS (2011-04-17 16:44:15) 

Thank you for participating in this week's topic of the 52-week series. I have the same types of memories from the 
same era, except we went to Anaheim stadium. I remember all those Dodger players, though, because our neighbors 
were Dodger fans. 

Annette (2011-04-17 22:03:32) 

Thank very much Amy for the great topics! That was a classic era in Dodger baseball. I did attend a few Angels 

games too but don't remember the players as well. 



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St. John Vianney Church (2011-04-17 22:27) 




The church I have been attending since childhood was burned in an arson fire on Friday night. It is really 
heartbreaking for all of us. One of the Priests ruptured a tendon a couple of months ago and just came to 
for today's Palm Sunday service, which was held in the church hall. He was given a standing ovation. As 
he said "We will rise again." The rectory was saved but the heat from the fire blew out all the windows and 
much of the interior was melted. Luckily none of the priests were killed. A fireman had to pull one of them 
to safety. The church is a total loss. The damage is estimated at 8 million dollars. 

It's sound like it's going to take two or three years to rebuild. I feel sorry for anyone who had the church 
booked for their wedding :(. It is nice that people are sharing their pictures of the church as it was at this 
facebook site [2] https://www.facebook.com/RebuildStJohnVianneyChurch 

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Stanley Valley (2011-04-21 20:25) 



[1] 




I've been touring the area where my ancestors lived using google street view. They lived in Stanley Valley, 

Hawkins County, Tennessee and later migrated over the border into Scott County, Virginia. 

Stanley Valley is a narrow valley so it should be fairly easy to pinpoint where the family lived. 

The only coordinates I have are Possum Creek and according to a great-grandson of the family they lived 

17 miles from Rogersville. Using these directions I believe I have been able to get pretty close to where they 

lived. It's been really wonderful to actually see the area :)! It's really moving seeing the area. 



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I have also been able to see the ancestral land in Scott County thanks to the directions of distant cousins. 
Its a very lush green area. 

I've contacted a local expert in Hawkins County, TN hoping to get advise on how to pinpoint the exact 
location of the Forgey land. 



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The findagrave website has so much great information besides cemetery listings. I found a picture of the 
marker above at that site. It put me on the right track as to where the Looneys lived. They were neighbors 
of my likely ancestors Andrew Forgey and Margaret Reynolds. I noticed a street called Looney's Gap road. 
I thought that Andrew's land may have been located around there. No, after using this sign to do more 
internet research I determined that the Looneys originally lived near the Forgeys on Possum Creek, but later 
relocated to the location where Looney's Gap Rd. is, which is on Big Creek. So Andrew did not live near 
that road. 

When I looked at Andew Forgey's land grant again I noticed it specifically says he lived in North Stanley 
Valley. 

I would like to do some research with Tract Books to pinpoint the location of the land. 

I am very curious as to whether descendants of Andrew Forgey still own any of his 400 acre land grant? 

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MHD (2011-04-28 14:55:49) 

Hi, Annette! 

I'm glad your mother is doing better. 

I was at the Whittier FHC today with a letter in German for John to translate. He told me you had been researching 

people in the same area of Austria! Another coincidence is that I worked in Hac Hts for many years and drove by St. 

John Vianney almost daily. Add Kentucky, Ireland, etc., and the similarities in our research keep on growing! I told 

John about your blog and he said to say "Hi!" See you soon I hope! 

-Marie 



Annette (2011-04-28 20:21:12) 

Hi Marie! Wow, are you researching Burgenland Austria too? If you also have family in that area have you looked at 

the Burgenland Bunch website? I have the link here on this page. The church records go back to the late 1700 in the 

Inzenhof area I have researched. I also had relatives in the Graz area. 

I noticed also that you are researching in Kansas I think? Where I also had family. Lots of similarities, true! 

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Sad about the church :(. I have been attending there off and on since it began. 

I hope to wrap up some chores and go back to the FHC soon. So nice hearing from you and hope to see you there 

soon. I will try to make it there next Thursday. Nice to get the "Hi" from John. Thanks so much! Annette 

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52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History- Pets (2011-04-28 21:46) 




[1] 

I had an assortment of pets growing up from livestock to domestic pets. One of my first pets was a rabbit. 
Not a very friendly rabbit. I also had many cats which tended to be rather aloof and not too cuddly. We 
also kept some birds which the cats often harassed. I did enjoy several litters of kittens which were born in 
our garage. I remember the mother cats tried to move their kittens into my closet :D. 

I remember I also had a tiny turtle named Timmy who would often escape his home. We would have to 
comb the house to find him. 

We also had a rooster which would wake the neighbors up so we had to get rid of it. 




[2] 

I became very attached to my apricot poodle named Romeo. I got him around the time of my Junior High 
School graduation. He was much more fun than the cats. He was a very lively companion, and like a little 
brother to me. He lived to be about 15 years old. It was a very sad day when he had to be put to sleep. 

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I don't have any pets now. Just no time to care for a pet now. 

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It seems like lately all of my finds are coming from Google Books. I've spent many hours searching but still 
have not found everything. Plus new books continue to be added. Today I found my likely ancestor Hugh 
Forgey listed in [2] Most distinguished characters on the American frontier ( By Madge Looney Crane and 
Phillip L. Crane). . Since I can only get a snippet view I don't have a date or know the exact nature of the 
document. It appears that Hugh witnessed this certificate assignment. It looks like Hugh may have signed 
it? It looks like 17 something may be the date. I tried this with my search and was taken to the page, but 
still could not see the date. The number 18 used with the name Forgey didn't yield any results. 

The Looneys lived in Stanley Valley, Hawkins County TN like the Forgeys. David Looney, who was trans- 
ferring the assignment of the certicate, owned 600 acres of land in Stanley Vallley. 

Reading more snippets from this book I learned about the Squabble State which extended from Virginia 
into Stanely Valley. Apparently this area was a disputed area. The settlers in the Squabble State sometimes 
refused to pay taxes. Documents from that era officially refer to the area as the Squabble State. This state 
line dispute was partially settled in 1802. 



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What I know, KNOW! (2011-05-05 12:09) 




[1] 

With graves located in Cow Pastures a search line like the one above would be helpful! But I need to locate 
the Andrew Forgey land before such a search can take place :D. 

Here is what I have found in the records describing the land location: 

"DEED BOOK 1, Page 133 Deed from NORTH CAROLINA to ANDREW FORGES, No. 78 For and in 

consideration of the sum of fifty shillings for every hundred acres paid into the Treasury by Andrew Forges, 
we have granted to him a tract of land containing four hundred acres, lying on Possum Creek in Stanley 
Valle, beginning on Hugh Crafford's corner in the north side of the valley. Given under my hand and seal 
this 23rd day of October 1782." 

"I do give and bequeath to my son Andrew Forgey, Junior a part of the tract of land I now live on butted 
and bounded as followeth: Beginning on the main road opposite a cross fence about half way between where 
I now live and where my son Andrew lives, then along said fence and to continue the course thereof to the 
back line of said tract. Then with said line to a chestnut corner of said tract. Then along the line dividing my 
land from a tract whereon Benoni Coldwell now lives to the old road that is nearest to my son Andrew's 
fence. Then with said road to the beginning, including the house and plantation whereon my son Andrew 
now lives. "(From Hawkins County, Tennessee Wills) 

"Whereas I had given to my son John Forgey another part of said tract and have made him a right to 
the same which he has since sold to my son James Forgey and has received payment, and I being anxious 
to secure the said part to James for the considerations above, I do therefore bequeath to James Forgey 
the said part which is bounded as followeth: Beginning on the road at the place where Andrew Forgey's 
began, opposite the before mentioned cross fence, running the course of the same so as to make a straight 
line across the valley from one line of the grant to the other, and all the land contained in my grant between 
said line and the line of the tract whereon Benoni Coldwell now lives, and on the opposite side of the 
above mentioned road from where my son Andrew now lives, including the improvements made by John 
Forgey whereon Hugh Forgey now lives. "(From Hawkins County, Tennessee Wills) 

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My Inzenhof Line (2011-05-06 12:11) 



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Before 1999 I had never heard anyone in the family mention Inzenhof, the village of my paternal grandfa- 
ther's family. My father's parents divorced in the 1940's. My grandmother and her children relocated from 
Chicago, Illinois to Southern California. My grandfather Rudolph Kapple remained in Illinois. My grand- 
father Rudolph died when I was very young, and never visited California so I never met him. I've always 
felt a sense of disappointment because I never met him. I felt a close connection to his line of the family. I 
was told that I looked like one of Rudolph's sisters. I was also told that my surname was likely Jewish and 
wanted to learn more about that. For many years I questioned my family about the Kapple family origins. 
No one knew very much at all. My grandmother looked into it at one point and came up with Gratz, Austria 
as their place of origin. I still wanted to learn more. I wondered what may have happened to relatives during 
WWII? 

I was busy working when I was in my 20's and couldn't pursue genealogy. When I finally got access to the 
internet in 1999 I began pursuing my interest in the family history. At the local library I stumbled on a 
genealogy how to book called My Sixteen. The author of the book laid out instructions on tracing immigrant 
ancestors in a very simple and understandable way. After reading that book I successfully found my family 
in all the records suggested in the My Sixteen book. Combining all of that with internet research I found 
out the family was not from Gratz but instead from nearby Inzenhof, Austria. All available records indicate 
that the family had been Catholic for at least 200 years. I have found nothing to document that they were 
ever Jewish. 

The histories of Inzenhof and the province of Burgenland are really fascinating. The Burgenland area was 
very sparsely populated before the 18th century. It also suffered population losses due to war. During the 
18th century efforts were made to bring in settlers to this area. It is not known for certain where all of these 
new settlers came from? Likely many came from the area around of Gratz? 

Until after WWI Burgenland was a German speaking area of Hungary. 

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Inzenhof WWII War Memorial. 

Many of my family names are listed here. 



The WWII era really fascinates me. Inzenhof was the location of a slave labor camp. This pdf article 
makes a brief mention of the camp in Inzenhof, [3] The Death Marches of Hungarian Jews Through Austria 
(the first article link on this page). Relations of my family did serve on the German side during WWII. I 
have not found any records indicating that any relatives were prisoners in the concentration camps. [4] The 
Burgenland Bunch published a wonderful diary on the internet regarding a visit of a Burgenland native, 
then American Citizen, who was visiting her mother and was trapped in the area and unable to return to 
the US because of the outbreak of the war. Links to the articles [5] An unforgettable visit to the Burgenland 
Austria and part 2 [6] An unforgettable visit to the Burgenland Austria It's difficult to get stories about the 
Inzenhof area during WWII because many documents and newspapers from that era were destroyed. Efforts 
were made after WWII to hide evidence of crimes. Surviving residents of the area were never willing to share 
very much info about this time period. I have read stories about Nazis occasionally searching houses, and 
harassing some Burgenland families. The cold war also greatly affected life in Inzenhof. Inzenhof was on 
the Iron Curtain literally. St. Emmerich Church, the Inzenhof parish church, was located in no man's land 

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during the cold war. The cemetery was located in a mine field. Occasionally someone fleeing communist 
Hungary would try to cross the minefield into Burgenland. Residents of the area would sometimes risk their 
lives to retrieve bodies from the minefields. Today Inzenhof is a nice middle class area of Austria. Photos of 
Inzenhof today give an impression of a sleepy, rural place. It's hard to envision the chaotic place this was in 
the past. Peace finally :)! 

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Scott County, VA Forgeys (2011-05-13 18:52) 



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Moving my research for my family history to Scott County, VA. Thought I lost my some of my court record 
copies. I've been looking for them for the past week, finally stumbled upon them today. So Friday the 13th 
is my lucky day :). 

Now that I've been able to review these pages again I've developed a new appreciation for them. I have been 
reading about the history of Scott County, VA, and the Blackwater Salt Works was mentioned. James Forgy 
is referred to in a court orders regarding the road to the Blackwater Salt Works. It seems that James Forgey 
Jacob Roller Jr. and Sr., were appointed as overseers of alterations to the Blackwater Road in the year 1826. 

I also noticed that in the 1820's Archibald Forgy was living on the North Fork of the Clinch River just like 
his father-in-law Jacob Roller Sr. 

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I've been researching the name Forgey and all of it's variations at Genealogy Bank's newspaper collection, 
and at the Library of Congress's Chronicling America website. I wasn't able to find out exactly which time 
periods were included in the Genealogy Bank's local newspapers database? A general time period is given for 

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an entire state but not for each local paper. I found a very interesting and helpful entry at the Chronicling 
America website. Sadly nothing new found at Genealogy Bank. I guess Ancestry.com abandoning it's effort 
to archive the world's newspapers. Newspapers are a great source I think that is a mistake. 

I've also been looking at US Censuses for Virginia and Tennessee again. I have had a great success record 
when it comes to finding ancestors in the US Census. Finding collateral lines in the south is much more 
difficult. It could be due to the isolated locations of their homes, and the dislocation due to the Civil War. 
Also after the Civil War some Confederates may have been unwilling to provide their family info to the US 
government? 

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useful and interesting info. I have tried to assemble complete family groups for the Forgey families who 
settled in Tennessee. I believe I have identified a grandson , John Forgey, of Andrew Forgey and Margaret 
Reynolds. I found a John Forgey and Polly listed in New Providence Church records. They disappear from 
Hawkins County, TN after the 1840 Census. They seemed to have had a large family is 1840. I found a 
John Forga and Mary Forga family in Marshall County, MS and their family seemed to match the Hawkins 
County family as far as number of males and females. This family bounced back and forth between Shelby 
County, TN and nearby Marshall County, MS. Using Footnote I found 3 sons of John and Mary Forgey who 
served during the Civil War. One son, J. W. Forgey, does not appear on the 1850 Census. I believe that 
he might be a son of their's anyway? John T. does appear so he is more than likely their son. W. H. also 
appears to have served; he does not appear with them on the 1850 Census either; but is also more than likely 
a son of John and Mary.The sons not appearing with John and Mary in 1850 were over twenty years old. 

Hope to nail for certain whether this Shelby County, TN family was from Hawkins County, TN. If J. W. 
Forgey was John and Mary's son, then I may have identified 4 out of the 5 males listed in the 1840 Census? 

J. T. Forgey was killed at the Civil War battle of Stone Creek, TN on 31 Dec 1862. The W.H. survived his 
service. No further info about J. W. during or after the war? Unfortunately no places of birth provided on 
their Civil War documents. 

Made a surprise find in the Civil War records. My ancestor Andrew Forgey's nephew John Forgey, son 
of Archibald, served as a Farrier in the Civil War. He served in the 5th Tennessee Calvary Company D. 
Those who served in this Company were from the Clinch River area of TN and VA. They were called the 

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Clinch Mountain Rangers. He died in February 1862. Apparently he was taken from Morristown, TN to 
his residence Scott County, VA where he died.. John's son Andrew was apparently held prisoner during the 
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Broad Search (2011-06-01 11:57) 

We are studying Tom Jones's course on Inferential Genealogy at Second Life, which is available at 

[l]https://www. familysearch.org/learn/researchcourses . I am presenting an example here of how a broad 

search helped me to solve a genealogy problem. 

My focused goals were to find the parents of my ancestor Nancy Melvin and where in Maryland she was 

born. She married Elijah Hicks 28 Feb 1823 in Bracken County, KY. I checked online family trees, but could 

not find one listing her parents. 

Step 1. Searched 1820 US Census Kentucky for possible fathers. I found only one possible father in Bracken 

County, KY. His name was John, and a female in her age range was listed in his household. I also searched 

Clermont County, Ohio where Nancy lived after her marriage. A William Melvin lived there in 1820, but 

didn't have daughters in her age range. 

Step 2. I ordered a copy of the marriage record for Elijah Hicks and Nancy Melvin from the Bracken County 

genealogy Society. I received a copy of their marriage bond which John Melvin signed. At this point I felt 

like it was more likely than not that John Melvin was Nancy's father. 



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Signatures from 1823 Marriage Bond of Elijah Hicks and Nancy Melvin 

Step 3. Searched 1850 Bracken County, KY Census. Found a John Melvin, but he said he was born in 
Pennsylvania same as his wife. I figured this might be wrong, and just an echoing of the birthplace for his 
wife. 

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John Melvin 1850 Census for Bracken County, KY with third wife 



Step 4. According to all available census records Nancy was born in Maryland (all Melvins listed in Census 

records for Clermont County, OH and Bracken County, Ky stated they were born in Maryland). So I searched 

the 1810 Census for all of Maryland. I found 3 possible fathers in Maryland. One in Worcester, where many 

Melvin families lived. There was a John Melvin with a female in her age range in Worcester County. A 

William Melvin also lived in the area. 

Step 5. Looked at online marriage records for Worcester, Maryland. Found a marriage for John Melvin and 

Mary Redden.. They married 24 Nov 1800. Nancy Melvin's eldest daughter was named Mary. A William 

Melvin married around the same time. 

Step 6. I did a survey of all available records for Worcester, Maryland online. Nothing linking the Worcester 

County Maryland Melvins to Bracken County, KY. 

Step 7. Went back to Bracken County 1850 Census looked for neighbors from Maryland. Found a Purnell 

Redden. Searched online family trees for him, where I found one giving his birth place as Worcester County, 

Maryland. His father Shadrack was said to be the brother of the Mary Redden, who married John Melvin. 

At this point felt like I was on to something :)! 




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Purnell Redden 1850 Census he appears on the page previous to John Melivn (his wife was a Norris and 
John Melvin's third wife was related to the Norris family) 

Step 8. Went back to Worcester Records online and found Shadrack Redden listed in these records which 
confirmed he came from there. An online probate transcription did name a Shadrack and Mary Redden as 
brother and sister. 

Step 9. Ordered all avaibable land and court microfilms for Bracken County, Ky from the LDS Family 
History Library. Was not able to make a definite connection between John Melvin and the Redden family. 
Step 10. Decided to research William Melvin of neighboring Clermont, Ohio. Nancy Melvin lived in Cler- 
mont after her marriage. She used many of the same names as the William Melvin family, such as Stephen, 
for her children. The name Stephen was also used by the Melvin family in Worcestor, Maryland. My research 
in Clermont Ohio records produced nothing either. 

Step 11. I posted queries at Forums for Worcester, Bracken, and Clermont explaining how I was trying to 
link these families and what I had found. 

My query paid off big time :)! Someone contacted me by email and told me that there was a biography 
published in an Indiana County history, which stated that William Melvin's daughter was born in Snow Hill, 
Maryland, which is the town in Worcester County where the Melvin Family I have been researching lived. 



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I did not have the name of this daughter because she left the Clermont area. I would never think to check 
a county history in Indiana :). So I now have a fairly good circumstanial case, and feel pretty confident 
Nancy Melvin was the daughter of John Melvin and Mary Redden of Snowhill, Worcester, Maryland. I am 
continuing to research this family for further confirmation. 



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Ginger Smith (2011-06-01 20:05:54) 

This is a great example and thanks for sharing. I did something like this as well. It's important, and not that difficult 
to do sometimes, to track ancestors as they move across state lines and the neighbors that lived around them as well. 
Thank you. 

Annette (2011-06-01 20:21:39) 

Thanks very much Ginger for the nice comment :)! 

Diana Biddle (2011-06-02 04:15:57) 

Great example Annette, I also noticed the way you scanned your family tree and included it as a page on your blog 
- neat idea! Also, interested in your Jackson County, Indiana ancestors, many Brownings moved into Brown County. 
Down by Story, Indiana is a place called Browning Mountain. 

Annette (2011-06-02 09:28:42) 

Thanks so much Diana! I had never heard of Browning Mountain. I will have to look into whether Browning mountain 

has anything to do with my family :). 

MHD (2011-06-20 19:01:41) 

Hi, Annette! 

Oh, another coincidence? I am a descendant of Elizabeth HICKS who married Amos RICHARDSON in Estill Co., 

KY, 4 Oct 1810. I believe her father may have been a William, but I have not proven it. 

I hope all is well with you & I hope to see you at the FHC soon! 

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Fergus/ Forgey (2011-06-04 11:54) 

While combing through everything related to Forgey at Footnote I came upon a Forgey family unknown to 
me. Fve tried to place all of the Forgey and Forgy families in relation to their immigrant line. Could not 
place this family at all. I found a progenitor of this family listed in a revolutionary war pension file. A John 
Forgey was named as a magistrate in Elbert County Georgia. I found him also named in a probate document 
in Rutherford County, North Carolina. I discovered that this family normally spelled their name Fergus. 
I also found out the family initially settled in the same area of Pennsylvania as my family, Cumberland 
County and Chester County. I had noticed Fergus families in Ireland sometimes went by Forgey too. I didn't 
know that happened in this country. This supports the origin of the name as a variant spelling of the name 
Ferguson . 

I'll have to make note of this family so they don't confuse me in the future. I thought the revolutionary 
war pension file for James Fergus was fascinating. He kept a journal during his service and presented it as 
evidence to qualify for his pension. I copied a snippet above regarding his opinion of hospitals at the time. 
I thought that part was especially fascinating. 

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I just finished studying the second case for the [2] Inferential Genealogy course. I found that I had to go 
through the whole thing twice before I understood. Since there were so few documents with Obediah's 
name I forgot what the goal was the first time around :(. I also misunderstood and thought the Partlows 
were descendants, which wasn't important anyway. The instructor came up with many more details than I 
recorded in my conclusion and assumptions. 

I tend to get bogged down in details. It is difficult for me to pick out the most relevant details. I always have 
to go over documents numerous times before I make sense of all the info. I do need practice in the process 
of document analysis, as I've gleaned for this case study. 

This course has helped me recognize that I have not searched broadly enough. I should search the records 
of neighboring counties. Many of my family locations have suffered record losses, so searching nearby ju- 
risdictions may be helpful. I generally have not researched records after my ancestors' deaths. Searching a 

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generation after may be helpful too. I also have a feeling that I have not seen all of the court documents 
regarding my ancestors. Like he said the probate process, especially, generated a great deal of paperwork. 
Sometimes all of these papers were filed in several places including bound volumes, loose paperwork etc. I've 
found probate documents filed in deed books also. I don't live near my ancestral locations, so I can't visit 
courthouses easily. If I could visit I am sure I would find all of these various court records which can't be 
accessed any other way. 

After studying this course it is clear that studying all documents regarding your ancestors, and their asso- 
ciates, is essential to solving difficult problems. Looking for every minute detail. 

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Germans and Women (2011-06-17 12:00) 




[1] 

I've been doing a reanalysis of my family history data at Roots Magic and adding more detail to some vague 
sources. I have been focusing on my German lines. Much research has already been done on these lines. I 
am doing my best to verify what has been done. There really is a lot to look at and consider. Since much 
of this info is not sourced it's not alway easy to track down. Luckily many of the males left detailed wills. 
The family female lines are more difficult. Females seldom appear in early records which makes tracing their 
families difficult. 

A case in point Maria Eva born about 1713, maiden name believed to Bear? She married Johannes Ludwick 
Zirkle. She and her husband lived in Telford, Pennsylvania before his death in 1746. After his death she 
relocated to then Augusta County, Virginia with her children. I find her very interesting because she is one 
of the few female ancestors mentioned in early local records. 

I am trying to verify that Maria Eve's maiden name was Bear or Bare. Her name was recorded as Bear in a 
Zirkle Association newsletter published many years ago. No source for this info was provided. I've searched 
using google for any new info regarding this. Many people continue to use Bear as her maiden name, but no 
one has provided any sources. Doing some more research at the website for the Virginia State Library, the 
Memory Project, I found a grant conveyed to her in 1755 for 54 acres in Augusta County, VA. A John Bare 

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was a neighbor. Eve Sircle also is mentioned in volume 3 of The Chronicles of the Scotch Irish Settlement in 
Virginia by Lyman Chalkley. The references in this book also regard land transactions, one of which I have 
a copy of (the one I found at the state library site). The other property reference refers to a patent for 130 
acres which was transferred to her by John Bair in 1761. Her eldest son's name is said to be Michael Sircle. 



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Since Maria Eve did not migrate to Virginia with her husband, she must have traveled there with her family. 
Since she did live next to a John Bare, and had land conveyed to her by him, maybe he was indeed a relative? 
I have not been able to locate the deed for 130 acres yet, that may provide some additional info. Someone 
at ancestry.com gave her father's name as Jack Bear. They did not provide any source for this either? It 
would be nice to have a source for her maiden name. The record survival rate for this area is pretty good so 
there could be a solution eventually. 



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Nan (2011-06-17 14:41:19) 

Make sure to check BEHR, BAEHR, etc. Depends on who was doing the recording how they might have spelled it. 

Annette (2011-06-17 14:56:47) 

Thanks Nan! Didn't think of these. Have Bear, Bair , and Bare. Will add yours :). 



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Nan's Trip Docs/ 1) James Forgey Bible (2011-06-24 10:42) 



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Nan's trip to our ancestral area in East Tennessee and extensive research and copying has really assisted me 
in my documentation of our family history. I did not have any original copies of such sources as Andrew 
Forgey's Will or the much quoted Family Bible. 

Above is the citation I created for the bible at Rootsmagic. I find their citation templates so helpful. Another 
template which I will being using for the bible citation has fields for provenance and analysis. 

I have been analyzing this bible as my time permits. The first thing I took note of is that the bible was 
published in 1802 in Philadelphia. According to the book Families of Hawkins County, Tennessee, 1786-1994 
, the Forgeys brought a family bible with them from Ireland? They came from Ireland in 1760's. I suppose 
there could be another bible, but I think this is the one they were referring to. Likely no one checked the 
publication date. 



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Now let's plunge into some handwriting analysis. I love handwriting analysis ( I remember many years ago, 
when I was a child I had my handwriting analysed by a computer at the local mall) . This kind of analysis 
can be tricky. Sometimes several people in the same family can have very similar handwriting. For instance 
my mother and her brother at one time had nearly identical handwriting. My Grandfather Forgey and his 
brother also had similar handwriting. This probably has something to do with the style of writing being 
taught at their local school during that time period, and siblings observing one another. 

This is James Forgey Sr.'s bible. He was born in Ireland in 1764. The earliest entry records the birth of 
Andrew Forgey 4 February 1732, the owner's father. 

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I assume this because the baptismal info was added later under the original entires for two children. They 
were both baptized 17 Nov. 1810. All of the birth date entries appear to have been entered by the same 
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this is found in the marriage records section. Entry one and two seem to have been written by two different 
people. The first entry was written by someone who didn't slant their writing as much, and wrote in a larger 
hand. These two entries are not phrased the same. The first of the two was for the marriage of the bible 
owner, James Forgey, recorded in bible well after the actual 1791 year of marriage. The second is for his 
daughter Margaret in 1812, which could have been recorded around the date of marriage? 



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different times possibly by three different people? The third writing style is a less elaborate style. Below is 

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I don't know whether James Forgey actually wrote any of the above? I have three examples of what I believe 
to be his writing. He had a distinctive way of forming his r's and g's which gave the impression when grouped 
together of a large y? Other people misread that as a K. His y's in the two examples I have show a distinctive 
curl to the tail, which I don't see in the bible. His writing style somewhat matches one of the early writing 
styles in the bible, but is a little different. I suppose when you are writing in a public place you may write 
more hurriedly than at home? This may account for the differences? It is possible that he did write the early 
entries. 

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The provenance of the bible seems to be as follows: it was purchased by James Forgey Sr. passed down 
to son James Forgey Jr., and then to his son Gabriel Rogers Forgey. then to Gabriel's daughter Evalena 
Forgey-Morrison then to her son Crockett Morrison. 

In conclusion it appears that at least three people, possibly more, made entries in the bible. Some entries 
were made at an early date, others later. An analysis of writing styles at different periods of time would be 
helpful. I think it also would be helpful to see the handwriting of all these owners in order to determine by 
who and when the entries were written. 



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More James Forgey 1802 bible analysis (2011-06-25 10:21) 



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after his death info? So everything in that column was more than likely added after the death date of 3 Aug 

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1809. We can probably surmise this because someone accidentally wrote his death info on the birth side then 
crossed it out and recopied it in the correct column. 

How, when and by whom all of this was written is a mystery. Was Nancy and Sally's info added before 
Andrew's? Or were all three added the same day? It is possible that Andrew's death was recorded around 
1809. Margaret's death entry is phrased differently and the handwriting is different. The other death entries 
have the latin phrase anidomini and "departed this life". The 1828 death entry is more straight forward and 
says died. The 1833 entry for her grand daughter appears to have been added later. It would appear that 
the last two entries on the page were entered around their times of death. So the impression is that the 
entries on this page were made between 1809 or a few years before, for Nancy and Sally, and the last entry 
was recorded in 1833. 

The 1833 entry marked the end of the page and the death entries were continued on another page. The 
second page of deaths appear to be recorded in chronological order as they happened. Entries were recorded 
in several hand writings, apparently by several people. The phrasings for death ranged from died, departed 
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Could be the same person who recorded the previous entry? They seem to phrase the entries the same. Also 
they both misspelled February as Fabruary. 

More thoughts on the bible. It appears that the style of writing most often used in the bible is called 
copperplate mixed with round hand style.. It was very popular in the 18th century. I was also thinking that 
maybe a minister recorded the marriage entry for Margaret Forgey in the bible? I don't know whether this 
may have been customary? 

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Also noted an entry for Margaret Forgey mother of James included the abbreviation for senior? Not often 
used for women. 

There is a lot of handwriting to compare in this bible, and a lot to think about as far as word usage and 
phrasing. Maybe someone with more experience analyzing this sort of thing would be able to nail down the 
entry dates better. 

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Alex Forgey Washington County, VA (2011-07-03 09:46) 




[1] 

I am doing some research on the presumed brother of Andrew Forgey b. 1732 i.e. Alexander Forgey. My 
goal is to find out whether Alexander G. and Andrew are his sons. He and Andrew apparently migrated to 
Washington County, VA around the latter part of the 1770's. Washington County, VA research is challenging 
because of record losses. This snippet from The Annals of Southwest Virginia describes some of the missing 
records: 

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[2] I've found very few documents mentioning Alexander 

Forgey. He married Agnes Meeks in Washington County, VA in 1786. I also found Alexander in the 
Washington County, VA will book. This entry is not related to a will, but is a bill of sale between himself 
and his father-in-law Samuel Meek. An image of this is posted above. I interpret the above document as 
meaning that Alexander Forgey's wife went back to her father? I found an Agnes Forgy marrying a James 

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Rogers on 26 Apr 1789 in Washington County, VA. I don't know whether that is a reference to his daughter? 
(By the way Anne is a nickname for Agnes) I wondered whether Agnes may have divorced Alexander. This 
is unlikely because early divorces were legislative and none seem to have been awarded before 1803, and 
only about half a dozen were awarded for that County after 1803 up until divorce was outlawed in the mid 
nineteenth century. I checked the [3] Legislative Petition Database and did not find any references at all to 
Forgey/Forgy. 



The land sale below seems to confirm that he didn't have a wife in 1795. All of the other sales on the page 
refer to husbands and wives. 



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Land records are some of the few surviving records for that county. A 1782 Commissioner's Certificate for 
Alexander refers to the same land as the 1785 Grant Document, and the land sale posted above. The land 
Grant was awarded to him by then Governor Patrick Henry. It sounds like he was assigned the commissioner's 
certificate by someone else. These Certificates were awarded to those who settled the area before 1778. 

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Alex Forgey's Son? (2011-07-08 12:20) 



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1787 Tax List For Washington County VA 



A piece of info which could be a major breakthrough regarding Alexander Forgey and his line surfaced this 
week. A descendant of Alexander G. Forgey brought a 1787 Washington County Tax List to my attention. 

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A very useful bit of info was provided on this list. A column was set up to record males between the ages of 
16 and 21. They were not identified by name, only the number of those in that age range living in household 
were provided. One male in that age range lived in Alexander Forgey's household. We presume this is a son, 
but with no ID don't know for sure? I have ordered an FHL Microfilm with tax lists from 1782 to 1805. I 
hope that one of these lists contains the name of Andrew Forgey at some point (the film is on back order, so 
I may have to wait awhile to see it). 

The 1787 and 1797 [2] Washington County, Virgina Tax Lists are free online. They are selling CDs with the 
intervening years for $20.00 apiece at this site. No Forgeys appear on the 1797. Alexander Forgey sold his 
300 acre land grant in 1795. It appears that the family relocated elsewhere at that point in time. I am 
thinking they migrated to Knox County, TN, near family. 

It was thought by the author of the book A genealogical history of the Forgy, Forgey, and Forgie families 
in America, Lucille Wallace, that Jacob Forgey and Hugh Forgey, sons of Archibald, were Alexander's sons. 
Archibald's line does not use the name Alexander at all. Instead this family uses the same naming patterns 
as the Hawkins County, Tennessee Forgeys. 

[3] [Alex+forgey+book. JPG] 
A genealogical history of the Forgy, Forgey, and Forgie families in 

America, By Lucille Wallace. 



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Roller Church Records (2011-07-11 15:44) 



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[1] 

I received a reply from the Reformation Lutheran Church in New Market, VA regarding their records for 
the Roller family. Unfortunately Anna Roller was not baptized there. The older children were. This is what 
they wrote: 

I just got an email from our historian. Here is the news. ..we have what we think are complete records, but 

Anna's baptism is not recorded in any that we have. 

We've found Jacob and wife Eva Roller had three children baptized: Maria Magdalina, Johannes, and Eliner. 

Grandparents were Johannes and Catarina Roller. 

These entries are in Davidsburg Church Baptisms 1785-1845, New Market, VA . 

We also have Johannes Rolled, no date. 

Our Historian found no cemetery records with those names and suggested you check Rader's church records 

at the Heritage Center, Dayton, VA. She thinks she saw Roller records there. 

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According to the snippet above Lewis Zirkle donated the land for Davidsburg Church now Reformation 
Lutheran church. The Rollers may not have lived in New Market, but had their children baptized there 
because of the family connection? 

I have priced around the cost of getting a copy of these records at several places. The li- 
brary of Virginia has the manuscripts of these records. They want $25 for a copy. I've de- 
cided to order a microfilm copy from the FHL and save $20. This is a description of the records: 
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I thank Liz Tapley the author of the blog [2] My Tapley Tree... and it's Branches , and Randy Seaver [3]Genea- 
Musings , for the chart idea. I made an ethnicity chart for myself. My ethnic breakdown is certainly more 
complicated than this. I probably have some Native American ancestry, and my Nicaraguan/Spanish line 
includes some German. My Austro-Hungarian line is likely also Jewish. Which brings me to a quandary 
should I take an autosomal DNA test, or have my uncle's Y DNA tested? When I started out with my 
DNA research in 1998 my primary question was whether the Kapple family was substantially Jewish as far 
as Ethnic origin. I was never really able to verify this using available records. It sounds like I might be able 
to get a percentage of Jewish ancestry with the autosomal test. On the other hand I have been doing lots 
of research on my Forgey line and would like to verify what I have found in records for the family. I mainly 
have a circumstantial case on this line. I would like to buy both tests but can't afford to now; it's either one 
of the other. Family Tree Finder is having a sale which only lasts until July 21st. So I will have to make a 
decision 
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The Complexities of DNA (2011-07-23 22:11) 

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After a great deal of reading about the different DNA tests available I came to the conclusion that the Y 
test would be the most useful. I ordered the Y 37 marker test. The autosomal test is too general to be useful 
at this point. I decided to test someone in the line of the Forgey family I have established a circumstantial 
case for. I am hoping someone in my line will be tested soon. If this person decides not to then I will have 
my uncle tested. 

I am not sure exactly how many generations back I might be able to go with this test? It seems from what 
I read it establishes a family relationship 8 generations ago with a high degree of certainty. Hopefully there 
won't be too many mutations in the markers tested. Over the generations mutations occur occasionally . I 
am hoping for at least a 35 out of 37 match between my family and John Forgey's descendants. 
I am hoping two tests will breakdown my brickwall. I have been searching for other male descendants of 
Andrew Forgey and Margaret Reynolds in case I need more individuals for my DNA study. I found out there 
were few male descendants in their son James Forgey's line. He had only one son. Their son John Forgey had 
the largest number of male descendants. Most of his descendants still live around Chattanooga Tennessee. I 
don't know where the descendants of Andrew and Margaret's son Andrew settled? They lived in the Shelby 
County, Tennessee area in the late 1800's. I am not sure if there are any male descendants living now? They 
don't appear to be in that area now. 

I should have no problem finding males in the Andrew Forgey and Anna Roller line to test. There are a 
number of male descendants in that line. A few years ago someone compiled a list of all know descendants 

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in that line. It was 42 pages and listed a number of males. This list wasn't even complete. 
I have been talking about a Forgey DNA study for years. Finally it seems like I am making progress in that 
direction. I have found two, Forgie and Forgy, results already posted on the internet to compare with as 
soon as I get the results. Hoping for a breakthrough soon! 

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more on dna (2011-07-26 14:10) 

List descendants of James and Gabriel Forgey. post picture of dna percentages from franklin study 



DNA and the Percentages (2011-07-28 21:51) 



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able to construct a massive DNA project. Looking at this site has helped me understand what DNA can 
do for family historians. The chart (see above) with the predicted relationship percentages was especially 
helpful. Now I can see you can predict relationships 24 or more generations back, and also look at more 
recent generations. I did notice that mutations did not happen frequently. 

It would be nice to have a known relative of James Forgey or Andrew Forgey tested. I have been trying 
again to find descendants. This is what I came up with. 

James Forgey born 1766 Ireland had one son James R. Forgey 

James R. Forgey had two sons who left male children Gabriel and James R. 

Gabriel Forgey's sons: 

James N. Forgey 

Gabriel Forgey he had two sons Versel Ray Forgey and Gabriel R. Forgey 

James N. had two sons who lived in Bristol, Tennessee Charles and James Forgey. Charles died in the 1990s 
I don't know if he left any children. 

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James R. Forgey Sr.'s sons: 

James R Forgey b. 1886 died 1931 Didn't leave any children? Could not find any listed on Census 

Frank Harland Forgey b. 1894 d. 1968 Only had two daughters Marion and Catherine 

David S. Forgey b. 1898 Was in WWII and stated at that time he had no children? 

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1.6 August 

52 Weeks of Personal Genealogy & History - Grandparents' House (2011-08-05 14:17) 



[1] 




[2] I My Forgey grandparents purchased the family home 

and 2 acres of property in about 1939. It was located at 248 4th avenue in La Puente, California (by the 
way another unrelated Forgey family lived on 4th Street in the same town, which led to confusion with their 
mail lol). My grandfather Charles Forgey, as stated in the 1930 Census, worked as a carpenter after leaving 
the Marines. He built the first family home in La Cresenta, California. The family lost that house during 
the Depression. They rented homes in Glendale California until they saved enough to buy a home and some 
property. My grandfather used his carpentry skills to fix up the little old farmhouse they bought. He added 

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two rooms on basically by himself; but hired an electrician for the wiring. 

By the time I was born in 1963 my grandparents had been living in that house about 24 years; and the house 

was filled with mementos and memories. My grandfather was born and raised on a farm in Indiana and had 

a green thumb. The family had a little truck style farm there on 4th avenue for many years. They also kept 

some small livestock such as chickens and goats. I fondly recall the fruit trees my grandfather planted on 

the property. I remember visiting there in the Summer and eating tons of mulberries, plums and apricots. 

The fruit was delicious and much tastier than you can find in the supermarket. 

I remember the old timey kitchen with it's red checked curtains and old concrete or granite counter tops. The 

family always ate at the antique oak table in the kitchen. My grandmother, Graciela, was a great cook and 

loved to cook; so spent many hours in that kitchen. She also loved people too, and invited many friends over 

for meals. 

I also recall the old bathroom with it's old fixtures. The one bathroom was fairly roomy for a small house 

with a large claw foot tub. 

My grandfather was a hunter and fisherman. He devoted a whole room to memorabilia connected with these 

pursuits. He hung animal heads on the walls and stuffed birds. I also remember his gun cabinet. I would 

sometimes take a nap in that room when I was a baby lol. 

Something that really stands out in my mind when I think of the house is all of the family pictures my 

grandmother loved to display. I was told that my grandparents had a picture of their baby daughter Isis 

Forgey taken after she died. I was a little afraid of coming upon that picture. I don't think they ever 

displayed that one? Most of the pictures were of the many grandchildren. I loved seeing my own picture 

which was one of the largest on display. My father would always say who is that monkey on the wall :). 



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My Picture from my Grandparents house 

Another prominent picture in the house that fascinated me was a picture of my great-grandmother Isis 
Forgey which hung in the living room. I always admired it. Just a couple of weeks ago one of my cousins 
was cleaning out her garage and found the large framed picture. She asked if I wanted it which of course I 
did and I am thrilled to have it. 



The house remained in the family until about 1978. When the property was sold the house was torn down. 
At least I still have the pictures and fond memories. 

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The Rise of Peer Culture (2011-08-10 14:09) 



[1] [Dave+forgey+college. JPG] 
Popular among his peers David Shields Forgey belonged to the 
Pan-hellenic Council, Sigma Alpha-Epsilon , The Eddies, Mcallie Club, 

Tennessee Club 



Searching for the descendants of James Forgey I found yearbooks from the early 20th century with entries for 
two of his descendants. Looking through these brought to mind my study of the rise of peer culture during 
this era. I think that subject is fascinating. The move from the Victorian era to the modern era can be seen 
when you look at early twentieth century yearbooks. 



Victorian society was very strict and rigid. The parents of Louise Taylor Forgey and David Forgey were 
brought up in a different world. A place where children were expected to remain silent and assist the family 
on the farm when needed. Extreme modesty in dress was stressed for women. These rigid standards caused 
the next generation to seek liberation. 

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[2] ^^^5F ^T^^^^^^J iL' 'lUfcB _ The middle classes, like David and Louise's family, 

and upper classes were the first to embrace the new modern ethos of this peer culture society. The parents 
of David and Louise may have embraced or at least were aware of the new child rearing techniques being 
advocated in books. Children at this time became centers of attention for families, whereas, before daily 
tasks for survival were the focus of family energy. Families were freed from time consuming daily tasks by 
new labor saving devices. Now the nurturing, emotional and intellectual growth of children could become the 
focus of families. Child development became a popular field of study, opposing theories were debated in the 
press. It was felt by some that mothers were becoming too indulgent and permissive. Although some of the 
new theorists felt rigid structure stifled the creative development of children. The progressive educational 
movement popular when David and Louise were children also stressed encouragement of creativity in children 
as opposed to rote learning. 



These products of the new child rearing techniques were given freedom from responsibility for a much longer 
time than earlier generations. Middle class teenagers did not have to help provide for the family anymore. 
A growing number of high schools and colleges in the early 20th century allowed them to continue their 
education, and as a result they spent more time with peers than family. 



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Louise Forgey and brother David were club joiners. Louise is 

pictured here as a member of the Kodak Club. 



The more lax upbringing of these children is reflected in the later behavior of these individuals. Previous 
dress codes became more and more lax along with moral standards. Teenagers and young adults wanting to 
assert their independence tried to set themselves apart from their parents generation by adopting fads and 
new dress styles. A culture of conformity also sprang up. To be considered a part of the peer group you had 
to fit in and conform to their culture. Fitting in meant joining clubs in school. Athletics became a way to 
achieve status on campus. 



Peer culture sometimes led to irresponsible behavior. As a counter to this YMCA and YWCA clubs were 
formed. 



The peer culture of teenagers and young adults did help prepare them for the modern business world where 
networking became important to success. (It's nice too be able to put my research into a famiy perspective.) 

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How the Forgeys earned their Bread (2011-08-19 12:23) 



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Cecil Clair Forgey's Store in Freetown, IN 



The occupations of the Forgeys reflect the era they lived in. The earliest Forgeys to settle America were 
generally farmers; a typical occupation for that era. Early America was a nation of Farmers and cheap land 

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attracted those engaged in this pursuit in the old world. Many Forgey families owned large tracts of land. 
Some of these purchases can be found at the BLM site. According to wikipedia in 1870 70-80 percent of the 
population was involved in agriculture. 



The Forgeys Scots-Irish heritage can be seen in the occupations of the Forgey immigrant generation. The 
Scots-Irish in Ireland were often associated with the textile trade. Robert Forgy of PA was a weaver by trade. 
William Forgy also an immigrant to PA was a Tailor. Whiskey making was another skill which the Scots 
Irish brought to America with them. Andrew Forgey was convicted of selling liquor without a license and 
above the rates in late 18th Century Virginia. The Forgey's supplemented their farming income in fields such 
as Whiskey making, Blacksmithing and Tanning. Such jobs were often a sideline to farming. It looks like 
Archibald Forgey of Scott County, VA did blacksmith's work. My ancestor Hugh Forgey of Jackson County, 
IN worked as a Tanner. 




[2] i S By the 1880's a shift was occurring which can be seen 

when studying Forgey Census records. There is a gradual shift from farming to other modern occupations. 
Some of the earliest alternative occupations can be found in the mining industry such as coal and metals 
mining. James Forgey was a quartz miner at the Saw -Tooth Mining company in Idaho. My ancestor Andrew 
Forgey's sons Clark and Elisha migrated to Colorado where mining was the primary source of employment. 
Clark worked as a Teamster and his mother cooked for the miners. 



New forms of transportation also led to new job types. Frank Forgey of Craighead Arkansas worked as a 
fireman on a Locomotive in 1900, and by 1920 he worked his way up to engineer. James Forgey of Hamblen 
Tennessee either owned or worked at an auto dealership in the 1930's. 



New technology led to many new job catagories. The phonograph led to an increase in the number of music 
stores. Harland Forgey of Hamblen, Tennessee either owned or was employed by a music store in 1920. James 
Forgey of Hawkins County, TN line seems to have been the most prosperous. James had invested in land 
early on. He owned large tracts of land. His descendants inherited much of the land and parlayed the profits 
into other investments. Some of the profits were used for education. So this line of the Forgey family was 
able to take advantage of opportunities available to those with an education. According to the 1880 Census 
James R. Forgey was a Stock Trader. By 1900 he is listed as Bank President. 



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[3] The propensity towards litiagation in this country also resulted in a 

large legal bureaucracy. James Forgey of Iowa became a lawyer but was later imprisoned for larceny. Several 
Forgey were Justices of the Peace; one of which was Archibald Forgey of Scott County, VA. 
The booming comumer culture of the early 20th Century led to an increase in the number of merchants. 
Many Forgey family members were employed as salesmen. A few also were entrepreneurs opening shops of 
their own. My great uncle Cecil Clair Forgey ran a small store in Freetown, Indiana. 




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Interpreting Taxlists (2011-08-25 11:43) 



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Virginia Tithables and Ag e 

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lelordiible. m His I'fafi' uj Virginia. Thi» breakdown c&nei from Fauquier finjiiJwi. 17S9-1799, and \stan$ to correspond to the 
fatws on the tax tels although some lists are confusing. I have not checked these sgsinst the Virginia Statutes. At times I have found 
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I finally received my Washington County, VA Taxlist microfilm from Salt Lake City I had some problems 
interpreting these lists. Some of the lists have column titles with detailed names. Other taxlists have columns 
without names. I copied the pages with Alexander Forgey's entries and should have noticed the absence of 
column heading on some of the lists. There may have been headings on previous pages? 
I found a nice explanation of these lists at a family website which I copied as an image (see above) . I agree 
with this person that some of the info can be conflicting. It does appear that who's taxed and what's taxed 
could change from year to year. Also I have not been able to find a list of who might be exempt? I have not 
been able to find any websites with early Virginia tax statutes which would help me to understand the lists 
better. 

It was very disappointing not being able to find Andrew Forgey husband of Eleanor Randall in any of these 
lists. The the 1787 taxlist seemed to point to the possibility that the male in Alexander's household was 
Andrew. Since the 1786 and previous lists contain the names of only males over 21 he would likely not have 
been old enough to be listed. The 1788 taxlist does note the number of males over 16; so there should be 
someone over 16 noted in Alexander's household but there is not. If indeed the 1787 list noted Andrew than 
possibly he left his father's household to work on another farm or was a member of the Militia. I am not 
sure who might have been exempt from taxation so he may have been exempt? Another possibility is the 
person noted was a slave belonging to Alexander's wife Anne named Jane? He was only married to Jane 
briefly around this time. 

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Every year from 1788 to 1793 lists only one tithable in Alexander's household. In 1794 three are noted, 
but one year later only one is noted which is very perplexing? I came to the conclusion that Alexander 
G. Forgey was the sone of the Alexander. He was born in July of 1779 in Virginia according to a family 
bible. So Alexander Forgey the younger would not have been 16 in 1793 and would not have been noted. 
Alexander also would not appear in the 1795 list either because he turned sixteen a few months after the 
April taxes were collected. I was not able to establish any connections between all these men using the 
taxlists. Alexander sold his property in 1795 and does not appear on the taxlists again. It is unknown what 
happened to him after the sale of his property. Hopefully something will surface to clear all this up. 

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Interpreting Taxlists (2011-08-25 12:45) 

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I finally received my Washington County, VA Taxlist microfilm from Salt Lake City. I had some problems 
interpreting these lists. Some of the lists have column titles with detailed names. Other taxlists have columns 
without names. I copied the pages with Alexander Forgey's entries and should have noticed the absence of 
column heading on some of the lists. There may have been headings on previous pages? 
I found a nice explanation of these lists at a family website which I copied as an image (see above) . I agree 
with this person that some of the info can be conflicting. It does appear that who's taxed and what's taxed 
could change from year to year. Also I have not been able to find a list of who might be exempt? I have not 
been able to find any websites with early Virginia tax statutes which would help me to understand the lists 
better. 

It was very disappointing not being able to find Andrew Forgey, husband of Eleanor Randall, in any of these 
lists. The 1787 taxlist seemed to point to the possibility that the male in Alexander's household was Andrew. 
Since the 1786 and previous lists contain the names of only males over 21 he would likely not have been old 
enough to be listed. The 1788 taxlist does note the number of males over 16; so there should be someone 
over 16 noted in Alexander's household but there is not. If indeed the 1787 list noted Andrew than possibly 
he left his father's household to work on another farm or was a member of the Militia. I am not sure who 
might have been exempt from taxation so he may have been exempt? Another possibility is the person noted 
was a slave belonging to Alexander's wife Anne named Jane? He was only married to Anne briefly around 
this time. Also so many taxlists with only one tithable per household leads me to believe there may have 
been some deception, and some households may not have devulged all tithables. 



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Every year from 1788 to 1793 lists only one tithable in Alexander's household. In 1794 three are noted, 
but one year later only one is noted which is very perplexing? I came to the conclusion that Alexander 
G. Forgey was the son of the Alexander. He was born in July of 1779 in Virginia according to a family 
bible. So Alexander Forgey the younger would not have been 16 in 1793 and would not have been noted. 
Alexander also would not appear in the 1795 list either because he turned sixteen a few months after the 
April taxes were collected. I was not able to establish any connections between all these men using the 
taxlists. Alexander sold his property in 1795 and does not appear on the taxlists again. It is unknown what 
happened to him after the sale of his property. Hopefully something will surface to clear all this up. 



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Andrew and the 2 Alexanders (2011-08-31 14:05) 




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these men found? My assumption has been that Alexander Forgey of Washington County, Virginia is the 
father of both Alexander and Andrew of Knox County, Tennessee (Alexander Forgey later migrated to 
Tippecanoe, IN, and Andrew to Maury County, TN). 

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reasons why I think Alexander and Andrew are closely related and may have been brothers. 

Both Alexander and Andrew purchased land from James Forgey (apparently a relative) on the same day in 
1801. They apparently each bought half of James's 500 acre land grant. Alexander Forgey married Elizabeth 
Sawyers in Knox County, TN in 1805. Andrew and Alexander both witnessed a Sawyer's family document. 
The document they witnessed is Hannah Sawyers Will dated 27 December 1806. Apparently she was a 
sister-in-law of John Sawyers, Elizabeth's father. Andrew also was an executor for another Sawyers. He was 
the administrator of Betsy Sawyers Will in 1818 Maury County, TN. 



Here is why I think Alexander Forgey might be the father of these two men. It is assumed that Alexander 
living in Washington County in the late 18th century is a brother of Andrew of Hawkins County, TN. He 
may be the same man who is listed with Andrew Forgey in Cumberland County, PA in the early 1770's . 
If so he would have been old enough to be Andrew and the younger Alexander Forgey's father. We know 
Alexander Forgey of Washington County, Va was an adult in 1783 when he appeared on a taxlist. Only those 
over 21 were listed. We know Andrew Forgey was over 45 as listed on the 1820 Census Maury County, TN. 
So he was born before 1775. There is disagreement as to where he was born. A great grandson stated Ireland 
in a County Biography sketch. A son said Pennsylvania on the 1880 Census. Another son stated he was 
born in Maryland on the 1880 Census. These birthplaces given on the Census's seem to echo their mother's 
birthplaces, and is likely not accurate. However Pennsylvania would make sense if this were Alexander's 
son because we know he lived there in the 1770's, at the time when Andrew was born. Unfortunately since 
Andrew died in the early 1820's we do not have a Census entry with his birthplace. 

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James G. Forgey great-grandson of Andrew Forgey states he was born in 
Ireland and so were his grandparents? 



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John H. Forgey, Andrew's son, stated he was born in Pennsylania along 

with his mother 



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Andrew's son Samuel Scott Forgey 1880 Census says he was born in 

Maryland, 



We do however have a Census birthplace entry for Alexander Forgey which states he was born in Virginia. 
There seems to be universal agreement regarding his birthplace. The family bible also states he was born 
1779 in Virginia. All of the entries I have found for his children seem to agree. It is known that the likely 
brother of Alexander Senoir, Andrew, was in Virginia in 1779 according to a court case in Washington 
County, VA. 

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der and Virginia. If he wasn't born there he certainly had a memory of living there early in his childhood. 
There were other Forgeys living in Virginia in the 1700s. Robert Forgey of Dumfries was the earliest. This 
family generally used the Forgie spelling. Daniel seemed to be the only surviving son of Robert. There was 
also a Joseph Forgay named in a Will in Augusta County, VA. The Sawyers family lived in Augusta County, 
VA. Don't know if there is any connection? Could not find any other references to Forgeys in Augusta County, 
only a single reference. Hugh Forgey who later settled in Kentucky was married in Greenbier, VA in 1786. 
With very few records for these areas before 1800 it is difficult to establish who the father of Alexander and 
Andrew was. Based on proximity and interactions between these men and the Hawkins County, Tennessee 
line, I still lean in that direction. 

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1.7 September 

more on slavery (2011-09-08 21:27) 

The snippet above describes the assisted escape of a slave by one Daniel Forgey. The Forgey (Forgie) family 
of Dumfries, VA apparently didn't own slaves. Like many of the non slave owning families in that area 

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that resented the wealthy, privileged Tidewater slave owners. Theses non slave owning families were also 
sometimes victims of crimes committed by slaves. When the opportunity presented itself they sometimes 
helped these slaves escape their masters. The reason they did this seems to be mainly out of spite. Daniel 
and a few others used their oystering boat help a slave escape. The boat was apparently owned by Daniel's 
father Robert Forgey. 



The Forgeys and Slavery (2011-09-08 22:18) 



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Former Forgey Slaves 



I remember back when Helen Irene Forgey visited our family in the early 1990s and told our family about our 
origins. When she said the family was originally from Tennessee I was quite surprised. I wondered whether 
the family had anything to do with slavery? It looks like only one of my direct ancestors owned a slave, 
namely Andrew Forgey born in Ireland. His slave was listed on Andrew's Will and his name was Bacchus. 
He was Willed to sons Andrew and Hugh Forgey to share. 

Andrew's son James, and his line, were the largest slave holders in the Forgey family. Although they would 
have been considered small slave holders. The slaves consisted mainly of single family groups. The Census 
describes two former Forgey slaves as Mulatto, so I wonder if they might have Forgey blood? There was also 
a mulatto boy? 

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Mary Forgey 1870 Census Mulatto 



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Margaret Forgey Mulatto 1870 Census 



From James Forgey's 1831 Will "Item 10. I leave my yellow boy (yellow would be mulatto) Joseph and 
his wife Peggy to my beloved wife during her life, and at her decease for them and their issue to be equally 
divided amongst my daughters, and it is my request that James would keep them at a moderate price and 
for them not (to be) separated themselves, but their children may be divided between the girls." From his son 
James R. Forgey's 1853 Will: , "and also that each of my daughters have two servants girls to be selected by 
my wife. Given under my hand and seal the date above written." From his wife Raechal's will : "Manerva 
and Matilda Forgey and my own daughter Susan Forgey, have each one negro girl"... "James R. Forgey 
Jr. the sum of six thousand dollars in cash or negroes belonging to my Estate". 

An interesting description of slavery in Tennessee can be found in "Tennessee a Guide to the State". According 
to this account: "The lot of the Tennessee slave was perhaps less unfortunate than that of many of his 
brethren. Tennessee's slave code guaranteed the Negro shelter, food, clothing, and medical attention. It 
protected him when he ceased to be useful, gave him the right to contract for his freedom, and in 1835 
granted him the right of trial by jury - a privilege accorded to slaves in only four other States." 

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Don't know what happened to the former slaves who took the name Forgey? Don't know whether any 
descendants still carry the name Forgey? Joe Forgey's family seemed to be the only remaining African 
American family in the area in 1920 (Joseph and Margaret were names handed down in that family. James 
Forgey's slaves, husband and wife, were Joseph and Margaret). 

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Joe Forgey Family Mulatto 1920 US Census Knox County, TN 



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Y DNA12 Markers and 25 to GO! (2011-09-14 13:26) 



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Family Tree DNA 



[1] 

We received Roger Forgey's 12 marker test results last Friday (still waiting for the last 25 markers). He 
was a perfect 12 of 12 match with someone currently using the Forgie variant spelling of the name. At the 
12 marker stage if you match with a person with the same surname or variant then you are considered to 
be related. This person originally tested as a part of the Genographic Project sponsored by the National 
Geographic Society. He is currently upgrading his 12 marker test and testing with Family Tree DNA. It's 
puzzling that there is no match with the Forgys (Iowa, USA) who also first settled in Cumberland County, 
PA like my family. Since only one person tested it is possible that a non paternity event occurred and more 
testing needs to be done? A test is in the works right now for my Uncle Charles Forgey. 
Oddly there were also two other matches with men with different surnames. If these results hold up at 37 
markers we will have to compare notes to see where we may be related? 

The Forgie match would mean that our family descends from the Forgey/ Forgies of Co. Down Ireland. 
The shared ancestor would have been many generations ago since my Forgey family came to this Country 
about 1767 and our match's family came much later about 1870. I had some suspicions that the family had 
descended from the Co. Down Forgey /Forgie line. It looked like a migration from Down to Armagh took 
place. It did not look like the Forgey family was in the Armagh area very long. I couldn't find any burial 
records, births, marriages or deaths there. It looks like the family resided there briefly in the 1760's just 
before emigrating. 



[2] [f orgey+name+Warren+point . JPG] 

Varieties and synonymes of 

surnames and Christian names in Ireland 



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According to a report by Robert E. Matheson, Registrar General 1901, the spelling Forgey was common in 
Warren Point, Co. Down. We believe my ancestor Andrew Forgey is listed on the 1766 Religious Census for 
Ireland. He seems to be listed in Creggan Parish, Armagh along with his father-in-law Hugh Reynolds. This 
area being only 12 miles from Warren Point Co. Down; so it seems like there may be some relationship? A 
James Forgy also listed on that Census did not emigrate to America. I do wonder if some of his descendants 
settled in Warren Point Co. Down? 

The ancestors of our match lived in Millisle, Parish Donaghadee, Co. Down. This area is on the Ards 
Peninsula. We really don't know how many Forgey/ Forgie families settled on the Ards Peninsula; but we 
might assume from the numbers of people with the surname in public records it wasn't many. The earliest 
Forgey/ Forgies were brought over from Scotland to Ards by Sir Hugh Montgomery, who was part of a pri- 
vate plantation scheme which aimed to plant the area with Protestant Scottish settlers. Gregory Livingstone 
found a Forgie on a 1606 Rent Roll, which would be the earliest appearance of the name in Irish records. 
Gregory also gave me this info " mentioned in the Montgomery manuscripts, they came in 1603, with Sir 
Hugh and helped build the harbour and town of Donaghadee, simply list of surnames of individuals. A James 
Forgie is mentioned as living in Ballyrolly 1616, a townland 1/2 mile from Millisle." We note here the same 
place names as mentioned by our match's family. Due to heavy record losses it's nearly impossible to trace a 
family back to the 1600's so we can only guess that our family may have descended from these early Forgeys. 



[3] [forgy+on+rent+rolls. JPG] 
Nathaniel Forgy Rent Roll 1690 's Ards Co. Down, Ire 



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Journey of Man: The Genetic Journey of the Forgeys/Forgy & Forgies (2011-09-21 14:32) 



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We now have the predicted Haplo type for Roger Forgey and Wayne Forgie's lines. It's haplo group I2bl, 
M223. This is what wikipedia has to say about it: "Former I2bl in the Y2010 tree. I2a2a (M223) has a peak 
in Germany and another in eastern Sweden, but also appears in Russia, Greece, Italy and around the Black 
Sea. [21] Haplogroup I2a2a has been found in over 4 % of the population only in Germany, the Netherlands, 
Belgium, Denmark, England (not including Wales or Cornwall), Scotland, and the southern tips of Sweden 
and Norway in Northwest Europe; the provinces of Normandy, Maine, Anjou, and Perche in northwestern 
France; the province of Provence in southeastern France; the regions of Tuscany,Umbria, and Latium in Italy; 
and Moldavia and the area around Russia's Ryazan Oblast and Republic of Mordovia in Eastern Europe. Of 
historical note, both haplogroups II and I2b appear at a low frequency in the historical regions of Bithynia 
and Galatia in Turkey, possibly descendants of the Varangians, who are historically recorded to have invaded 
those parts of Anatolia from the 9th to 11th centuries." 

The I2b sub group, called Isles, is found almost exclusively in the British Isles with a heavy concentration 
in Scotland. 




[4] The marker 223 also is interesting. "The founder 

of this marker lived somewhere in the northwestern regions of the European continent, perhaps even in 
what seems a very unlikely place: the bed of what is now the North Sea." This place is now referred to 
as Doggerland by scientists. As stated previously it's now located in the North Sea. Here is a description 
"... Dogger land would have covered an area about the size of England, a tundra landscape across which vast 
herds of reindeer and horses plodded, where salmon spawned in its prolific rivers. As the climate warmed, 
oak woodland colonized the valleys and hills. Red deer, roe deer and wild pig replaced the barren-ground 
reindeer. It remained an ideal hunting ground.... + [5]http://freepages. genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ r 
obert/TheFirstPeople.htm 

One of my all time favorite TV programs is the Journey of Man which I embedded below (to see all of the 
parts just click the the Youtube link). I think this show helps put the Forgey DNA results into context. 



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IFRAME: [6]http://www.youtube.com/embed/OV6A8oGtPc4 

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5. http : //f reepages . genealogy . rootsweb . ancestry . com/~robert/TheFir stPeople . htm 

6. |http : //www . youtube . com/ embed/QV6A8oGtPc4 



GeneJ (2011-09-22 15:55:54) 
This is so cool. Good job.-GJ 

Annette (2011-09-22 16:54:22) 

Genej, Thanks very much for the nice comment :)! I really appreciate it! 

NickMGombash (2011-09-24 12:21:09) 
My haplogroup is I2a2a! :) 
Nick M. Gombash 
nickmgombash@yahoo .com 



The Adoption of Fixed Surnames & DNA (2011-09-27 22:05) 

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[2] I was a little confused by the DNA matches for Roger Forgey. Most 

of the matches didn't share the same surname?? You would expect to find only same surname matches 
given the fact that the Y chromosome is only passed from fathers to sons. Well after doing some research 

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at Family Tree DNA and elsewhere I found that these matches indicate a relationship before fixed surnames 
were adopted. 

Not being clear about when surnames were first adopted I did some research. It seems that before 1350 many 
common people did not have fixed inherited surnames. The aristocracy was the first group to adopt surnames. 
Taxation made more precise identification necessary and was a catalyst for the development of surnames . 
The growth of the military and civil bureaucracy led to the standardization of surnames. A few of the non 
Forgey surname matches were only two or three markers off at 37 markers. This leads me to believe that the 
Forgeys adopted a fixed surname relatively late. The lowlands Scots, as the Forgeys were, tended to adopt 
fixed surnames later than those in Southern England. They may have adopted a fixed surname in the 1400 
or 1500's or even later. The first appearance of the name Ferguson (the root name of Forgey in Scotland) 
seems to have been on a 1466 land record (the 15th century seems to be when Ferguson was first adopted). 
This record transferred land from John Ferguson to his son. Ferguson appears to be a patronymic name 
referring to men who were sons of a Fergus. Previous to the adoption of the surname Ferguson they were 
referred to only as "sons of Fergus." 

In the past people changed surnames for various reasons, and early names were not always carried down in 
families. An example apprentices sometimes took their masters surnames. Many of the earliest surnames 
were not inherited by descendants and died out. 

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I think previous family researchers miscalculated the date of the adoption of our family name. Some felt 
that the Forgies came from Normandy with William the Conqueror in 1066, and the name dated from that 
time period. This seems unlikely. Most of those who came with William the Conqueror had surnames which 
related to the place they came from in France, and were preceded by "de" meaning "of. I have not found 
any references to de Forgies in western Scotland. Most experts on the subject agree Forgey is a variant of 
the surname Ferguson. As a matter of fact a couple of Fergusons were close DNA matches. So I tend to 
agree that at least in our line the name derives from Ferguson. It is likely that there are other origins for this 
surname in other places. Our family origins seemed to be rooted in Scotland; which is supported by the DNA 
testing. There may also be a French origin of the name? The William Forgey line which settled in Allegheny 
County, PA in the late 18th Century claimed French ancestry. This illustrates the difficulty which arises 
when trying to trace someone based solely on their surname. Surnames change over time. Similar surnames 
may be used in several countries. So sharing a surname does not represent proof of a blood relationship. 

[4] [John+F.+Forgey. JPG] 
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Are you curious about the group site layout at Family Tree DNA? (2011-10-06 12:34) 

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Our surname DNA Project is growing :)! Not quite as large as the Benjamin Franklin study but 
growing :) (by the way there is a wonderful website for that project [3]http://www. roperld.com/franklinb- 
endna.htm). Here are some pages from the group website at Family Tree DNA. There are some great tools 
for comparison of DNA results. FT DNA also offers webinars and other educational opportunities which are 
displayed at the home page. Test kits can be purchased from the group site at a discount. 

The only drawback to FT DNA's project groups is the fact that you have to buy a test in order to join. 
Ancestry's DNA groups allow anyone to join whether or not you purchase a test through them. 

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Here is an example of the discounts available through a group. Some 
tests are only available through projects such as the Y 12 marker 

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Ancestry.com's DNA Group Layout (2011-10-13 13:21) 
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to non DNA geeks. It's a very basic site which makes it easier to use than FT DNA. You can compare results 
between members, add files, photos and videos. You don't have to have tested with ancestry.com to join 
a group. The cons are a smaller database of individuals to compare with; as opposed to a larger database 
at FT DNA. Of course Ancestry.com's mission is much broader than FT DNA. They are not solely in the 
DNA testing business. This is reflected in the group layout at ancestry.com which is much less scientifically 
oriented, and more personal. FT DNA, with it's scientific orientation, provides many tools for advanced 
analysis of DNA results. The charts and statistical info are useful tools for in depth analysis. I think that 
FT DNA is best for large surname studies. The Ancestry.com group model is best for small family group 
studies. 

A downside to FT DNA is that many people use it as a quick easy way to discover their family history. Some 
members have not done any traditional genealogy research. This makes finding a common ancestor with 
matches difficult. I find myself researching match's family histories in order to find the common ancestor. This 
can be time consuming and frustrating. I don't have any experience with matches at Ancestry.com but assume 

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they have done some research using the databases at Ancestry? I have heard of people having successes using 
both sites. The most important thing is completing some research before testing, and hopefully having a 
someone else to test against in the database. 

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Tracking Down DNA Matches and Digging Deeper (2011-10-20 14:46) 



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Tracking Down Matches The newest match for Roger Forgey came in yesterday and was a 25 marker 
match with Kenneth Ferguson who had a genetic distance of 2. It seems like there is a match every week 
now. This is due to the efforts of the [2] The Ferguson DNA project which seems to be growing tremendously. 
We are lucky to have a large project relating to our surname. 




[3] •.■uj.i^^i— , Above is a list of Roger Forgey's DNA matches. I 

decided to copy the image from FT DNA and add the places of origin for his matches. I got this info 
from emails sent to me by matches, and family histories posted at the Y Search DNA website. Several of 
the matches had no place of origin in the old country for their ancestors. A quick survey of the places does 
confirm our belief that the Forgeys were Scots Irish. All of the families, except a Hernandez match, appear to 
be Scottish or Scots Irish. Also the Scottish matches have Southwest Scotland origins. These people settled 
Ulster in large numbers. 

Digging Deeper The chart below is from the Ferguson DNA project which shows marker associations for 
I2bl British Isles subclade. It seems that the Gabriel Joseph match and Wayne Forgie match share the 

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[5]http://www. familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default. aspx?section=yresults . The countries of 
origin for this Haplo group also confirm Scottish origins for Roger Forgey's line. Something which stands 
out is the prevalence of the I2bl group in Germany. After doing some additional research I have come the 
conclusion that the early Forgeys might have migrated to Southwest Scotland from England. I believe the 
Forgeys were likely Anglo-Saxons or Norse. The Anglo-Saxons had invaded England in the 5th century A.D. 
Most experts agree that the I2bl Haplo group mainly stem from two sources, Norse and Anglo Saxon invaders. 
About 200,000 Saxons invaded England. Southern Scotland was heavily populated by Anglo Saxons, French, 
and Flemish settlers. The Saxons took refuge in Scotland where they fled from the Norman invaders. With 
the I2bl Haplo being more common in Saxony, Germany the most likely scenario is that the Forgeys were 
Anglo Saxons, with a more slight possibility that they were Norse. According to some the I2bl haplo type 
originated in Saxony 9,000 years ago. 



As more research and DNA testing is completed we should be able to get a better idea of our Forgey family 
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Put Yourself in the Picture (2011-10-28 12:40) 



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[2] 




Photo editing software. I've been playing with photo-editing software available for free online. Face 
in the Hole is fun. You can upload your own photo or use their template photos. I found some fun photos 
when I searched the site using the word "Victorian". I found the photo above which I used; and added my 
great-great grandfather Hugh Forgey and my picture to. I also uploaded a picture of my great grandmother 
Isis Browning- Forgey and her sister. I removed her sister's face and replaced it with my own. It's fun to 
play with this. You can snip a copy of your creation and edit it with free Picasa photo-editing software. 
The Halloween effects at Picnik are also fun to play with. Being a typical genealogist I love cemeteries. The 
cemetery over lay at Picnik is a fun, spooky, effect to add to photos. You can get to Picnik through Picasa 
photo-editing. 



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Happy Halloween! (2011-10-31 13:29) 

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1.9 November 

Just when I thought I had it figured. ..a new clade? (2011-11-02 11:28) 



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The I- M284 subclade I mentioned the subclade I- M284 associated with the British Isles in a previous 
post. I did not know it was a subclade of M223. I thought these two were totally separate. Below is a 
chart showing the relationship between the subclades. Roger was placed in the M223 clade by FT DNA. 
According to the Ferguson DNA project Roger's matches are in the subclade M284? Since there is a 99 
percent probability that Roger is related to Wayne Forgie and Gabriel Ferguson at some point in time he 
must also share the British Isles clade. It sounds like one of the matches may have upgraded to a deep clade 
test. This is the way Ft DNA explains the test: "Family Tree DNA now offers its Y-DNA customers Deep 
Clade tests to determine or confirm the exact subclade or branch of their haplogroup. " It's also possible 
that differences in 3 markers led to a more specific subclade assignment for one of the other matches? I will 
contact the Ferguson project and ask about the reason for the M284 subclade assignment? 

According to Wikipedia:" I-M284, has been found almost exclusively among the population of [2] Great 
Britain, which has been taken to suggest that the clade may have a very long history in that island". The 
Scottish branch of 284 might be 1,500 years old. So Roger's line may have been in Scotland for more than 
1,500 years; and possibly as many as 3,000 years ago. So Roger's family may have descended from the ancient 
Pict population of Scotland. 

The Forgeys do seem to match the description of others assigned to this subclade. The M284 subclade 
is strongly associated with western Scotland. "The Fergus(s)on in this group show a strong connection 
with Ayrshire and Dumfriesshire. Sir James Fergusson of Kilkerran wrote: "there is some evidence strongly 
suggesting that the south-western Fergussons, living in Ayrshire and Dumfriesshire, took their name from 
Fergus, Prince of Galloway, a much less shadowy personage, who was an important figure in the reigns 
of David I and Malcolm IV." By less shadowy he was refering to Fergus Mor and the attendant Dalriada 
genealogy." 

My goal now is to find the exact subclade for the Forgey. I really need to verify the Ferguson groups 
conclusion. 

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Nan (2011-11-02 12:00:44) 

Annette, since I've ordered deep clade tests on my brother's Y we do show a slightly different haplogroup than our 

known relatives in the Harvey project. None of the letters are different, it's just that ours is much longer. You can 

tell a predicted haplogroup because it will be in red. Someone that has actually had a deep clade test done will be in 

green. 

Annette (2011-11-02 12:22:46) 

Thanks so much Nan! I will check that out. I think the deep clade might give us a more specific origin? Hopefully 

anyway. 



What can DNA really prove? (2011-11-08 12:41) 




What can DNA really prove? I've been mulling that over since receiving test results for another Forgey 
family line. I had read articles about DNA testing before actually becoming involved myself in August. I 

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had a vague idea of how it would work, and what it would tell me. After two months experience working 
with results I am getting a much more realistic view of DNA testing for family history. 

So far we seem to have a match between Roger Forgey representing the Andrew Forgey, TN, line, and Darren 
Forgy representing the Samuel Forgey, NC, line. Another person representing the John Forgey line in PA 
had tested earlier and was not a match. We have at least four other family members who are somewhere in 
the process of testing, and three others who have at least preliminary results (with 25 markers in for Darren 
Forgy he is one marker off from Roger Forgey = Genetic distance 1). 
What DNA has achieved for us so far: 



1. It's confirmed that at least two Forgey lines are related which was impossible to do using traditional 
genealogy research. They apparently share a common ancestor in Ulster Ireland. We know from our 
research that the common ancestor link occurred before 1720, which is impossible to document with 
records. 

2. It may have eliminated a relationship with the John Forgy line? Although it is possible that a non 
paternity event occurred. It is good practice to have more than one person per line test in case of this 
kind of event. 

3. It has confirmed family tradition i.e. that the family was Scots-Irish. 

4. The link between the name Forgey and the name Ferguson has been verified. 

5. We have found more distant relations (Gilbert Ferguson, Kenneth Ferguson, George Robert Ferguson, 
John David Ferguson and Wayne Forgie). 

6. A link between our Forgeys and Co. Down Ireland is confirmed. Wayne Forgie's family is from Co. 
Down. 

So what can be expected when we get all of the results back. 

• Comparison of complete sets of results will hopefully give us more data about relationships, and a time 
frame for the most recent shared ancestor 

• A more precise Haplo group which will help confirm or refute a possible French origin or confirm the 
family had lived in Scotland for thousands of year 

• Answer the question regarding whether all the early Forgey /Forgys to settle in America were related 
or at least come close to answering that question 

In conclusion, what DNA can do is tell you is whether you are related to someone at some point in time. 
It can't tell you exactly when. If you match someone else on every marker except 3 or 4 markers, on a 37 
marker test, then you can be reasonably sure the common ancestor lived hundreds of years ago. I was thinking 
yesterday what if all the Forgeys match perfectly and I can't differentiate the family lines? I remembered 
that is where all of the research I've collected, and others have shared with me comes in. With 11 years of 
research on my family line and the DNA test results to back up my assumptions I believe I will have a very 
well documented accurate family tree when all is said and done. 

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Gabriel Joseph Ferguson (Y37) 
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Daniel Allert Piper 
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William Kappel anti aircraft gun battalion (2011-11-11 10:06) 

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William Kappel 's Grave Netherlands American Cemetery 



Remembering Veterans on Veterans Day 2011 We do honor the sacrifice of all veterans today. I 
especially honor my Great Uncle William Kappel, who was a member of the 462 Anti Aircraft Gun Battalion. 
A few years ago I discovered that he was killed in Europe at the end of WWII. He was buried at the American 
Cemetery in the Netherlands. I have been unable to find out the circumstances of his death due a fire, and 
the loss of those records. When I asked my aunt if she knew anything about his service she said she thought 
he served in the South Pacific? I have verified that he was indeed buried in Europe, so I assume he was 
killed there. My father never really said nothing about his aunts and uncles; so I have only discovered most 
of my info about them through my own research. 

The only thing I have been able to glean from my questioning of family and research is that William Kappel 
was one of the 11 children of my great-grand parents Frank Kappel and Mary Kurta. He was born in Cudahy, 
Milwaukee, Wisconsin on 20 Sep 1915. He did marry, and was married when he was killed. Don't know if 
they had any children? 

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My father Robert Kapple was born in 1933. My aunt June said that one Christmas my father got a train set 
(my father did love trains, and came to California from Chicago, IL by train). She said that my Grandfather 
Rudolph and his Uncle William hogged the train set on Christmas morning, and my father was upset because 
he couldn't play with it. In retrospect is nice to know that Uncle William had fun that Christmas with my 
Dad's train set :). 




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Comparing Marker Matches so Far (2011-11-12 09:09) 

Comparisons so far It sounds like the FT DNA lab was closed for Veterans' Day yesterday; so the rest 
of Mike's test results have not been posted (I am really anxious to see them!!!). We expect the rest of his 
results next week. 

This is where we are so far. We have a completed test for Roger Forgey representing the Andrew Forgey 
and Margaret Reynolds line and we have two testers who share a most recent common in 1726 i.e. Samuel 
Forgey or Forgy. We have completed results for Darren. All three men are confirmed related through DNA 
testing so far. Roger and Darren share a genetic distance of 2. So they are confirmed to be related. It will 
be very interesting to see whether the two markers which separate both of them are shared by Mike Forgy? 
We will then have an idea of when those mutations occurred. After or before 1726? If they happened before 
then, Roger's line would have shared a common ancestor likely more than 100 year earlier. If the mutation 
occurred after 1726 they likely shared a common ancestor somewhere around the 1726 era. 

It appears that Roger's line experienced fewer mutations in their DNA than Darren's and Mike's lines? I 
surmise this from the number of matches Roger had with the members of the Ferguson group. Ferguson 
does seem to be the root name for Forgey. Darren matched some of the same Ferguson group members at a 
genetic distance of 5. This would mean he is only possibly related to them unless, someone in his line tests 
closer ( which would mean an extra mutation occurred recently). 

Mike Forgy already has a mutation not shared by the others with only 12 markers tested. This mutation 
occurred after 1726. I am expecting the Fergusons who matched Roger and Darren to resurface again when 
the rest of Mike's test results come in. 

I've copied all of the match results so far below. Actually Wayne Forgie is also only one marker off Mike 
at 12 markers (I guess FT DNA only lists those member matches with nearly exact name spellings in this 
catagory i.e. genetic distance 1. Forgie didn't register as a close spelling?). 

[1] [spreadsheet+f or+matches+1 . JPG] 
Wayne Forgie is also one marker off Mike Forgy. 



Roger Forgey Darren Forgy 
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Mr. Daren Edgar Forgy (Y37) 
Mr. Wayne A Forgie Jr. (Y37) 
Ga&riel Joseph Fergus on (Y37) 
Mr. LanyLaijghilin (Y67J 
Stanley Mcllrattt (Y37) 
William Lewis Leigh Jr. f¥37) 
Frederick John Galbraith 
Michael O.'Neal Elder (Y111) 



8 HATd 25 MARKER - GENETIC DISTANCE - 1 



Roger Forgey(Y37) 



1 MATCH(ES) 



Roger Forgey Darren Forgy 



25 MARKER - GENETIC DISTANCE - 1 



Kenny Ferguson (¥37) 
Mr, Barry Ferguson (¥37) 
Mr. Jotin Daw a Fergus on (¥67) 
Mr.Wi<liamPL3ughNn(Y67) 
Mr. David Edward Laughlin 
John Richard Gelston (¥37) 
Dr. David Malcolm Stilt (¥67) 
Leo Wilson Mitchell {T 37) 



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Jimrne Robert Hem an dez0f37) 

Mitchell Ray Martin 

Mark Edward Gordon (Y37) 

Mr. Fred (ric) Duane Gordon (¥67) 

Charlie Wayne Stewart (Y67) 

George Robert Ferguson (¥67) 

George W. Stuart {Y67) 

Hugh L McMhur (V 111) (Family Finder) 

iriri ee RiewariRr {¥"11 1 > 
James Oliver Slewart fY67 } 
Justin Lee Stewart (¥111) 



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Mr Wayne A Forgie Jr. (Y37) 
Gabriel Joseph Ferguson (Y37) 
Mr. LarryLaugniin(Y67> 
Daniel Allen Pipef 



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Stanley Mel If atn(Y37) 
William Lewis Leigh Jr. (Y37) 
Frederick John Calbraitti 
Leo Wilson Mitchell 0f37) 
Michael O.'Neal Elder {Y1 11) 



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Michael O/Neal Elder (Y1 11) 
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Family Pictures Gold Rush and Mystery Solved (2011-11-17 12:15) 

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William W. and Alice Forgey 



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[2] Mb! I. Exciting week in genealogy! 1 think I collected more family 

pictures this week than in the past few years combined. I also received an answer to the question regarding 
how William Kappel was killed in WWII on Veterans' Day. The battalion history for 462nd AAA is posted 
here [3]http://www. antiaircraft.org/PDF/462.pdf and mentioned William Kappel's death. I was thrilled to 
receive an envelope in the mail from a Forgey Aunt and Uncle with family pictures and letters on Monday. 
I am so happy to finally have a closeup picture of my great-grandfather William Wray Forgey. Now if I 
could only get some pictures of my Kappel great-grandparents and Del Castillo great-grandparents I would 
have a complete set. On Sunday I received an email that one of my picture requests at Find A Grave had 
been filled. Interesting it was for the grave of great-grandfather William Wray Forgey's great-grandmother 
Poley (Polly) Wray's tombstone. She is buried at Granny White Cemetery in Lawrence County, IN. The 
tombstone seems to be the only source for her birth and death dates. 



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Looking at the picture, above, of my grandmother and Aunts the landscape around their house looks so 
stark. Thirty some years later I remember it looking so much different! That Palm Tree behind my Aunt 
Dorothy was probably about 100 ft tall. My grandfather had hoped that it would stay small. Well that did 
not turn out to be the case. The apricot tree, also in the picture, was huge and shaded the entire lawn when 
I remember it. I don't see the pomegranate shrubs which dominated the landscape in the front too. It's 
interesting to compare the landscape in the earlier picture to the one below taken in the 1960s. Look at the 
size of the Apricot tree and shrubs in the background. 



As I've said before my grandfather Charles Forgey was an outdoors man. Loved to hunt and fish. You can 
see it in this photo of him with his guns (see below) . He won marksmanship awards when he was in the US 
Marines. He liked to hang animal trophies in his house. I remember looking at Field and Stream magazine 
in my grandparents house, not really understanding what it was about lol. You can also see the Ivy, in 
the same picture, which covered the backyard. I recall the exact location of the photo. I liked the ivy and 
thought it made the yard feel cooler in the summer. I also remember a huge mulberry tree in the backyard 
with a picknick table around it. The neighbors behind my grandparents kept small livestock which I enjoyed 
looking at from the back fence. I remember they had some beautiful pheasants. 



It's nice to see the old pictures of family I remember, and others I would have like to have met. It's also fun 
to see the evolution of the landscape around my grandparents house. Looking at all the family pictures I 
can see the evolution of our family as a whole. 

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GGG Grandmother Elizabeth Wray-Forgey's grave. Freetown Cemetery 



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GGGG Grandparents Nathan Browning and Obedience McPike 





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Lisa (2011-11-18 08:34:59) 

Fantastic news Annette! I know that you are thrilled with these finds. I'm doing research "in" Hancock/Hawkins 

County Tennessee and occasionally I run across the Forgey name and think of your blog! 

Annette Kapple (2011-11-18 09:16:30) 

Thank you Lisa :)! Nice to hear from someone researching the same area! With so many records loses in that part of 

Tennessee I am especially excited when I find anything with the family name on it in Eastern Tennessee. 

Lisa (2011-11-25 09:21:25) 

Absolutely Annette!! Poor records, could "they" be Indians ... or maybe Melungeons. Lot's of challenges in that little 

area. When you do find something, you really want to jump up and down from excitement! 



(2011-11-17 17:45) 

Thursday, November 17, 2011 

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[2] Family Pictures Gold Rush and Mystery Solved 



[3] [William+Forgey. JPG] 
William W. and Alice Forgey 



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[4] WHM I. Exciting week in genealogy! 1 think I collected more family 

pictures this week than in the past few years combined. I also received an answer to the question regarding 
how William Kappel was killed in WWII on Veterans' Day. The battalion history for 462nd AAA is posted 
here [5]http://www. antiaircraft.org/PDF/462.pdf and mentioned William Kappel's death. I was thrilled to 
receive an envelope in the mail from a Forgey Aunt and Uncle with family pictures and letters on Monday. I 
am so happy to finally have a closeup picture of my great-grandfather William Wray Forgey. Now if I could 
only get some pictures of my Kappel great-grandparents and Del Castillo great-grandparents I would have a 
complete set. On Sunday I received an email that one of my picture requests at Find A Grave had been filled. 
Interesting it was for the grave of great-grandfather William Wray Forgey's great-grandmother Poley (Polly) 

Wray's tombstone. She is buried at Granny White Cemetery in Lawrence County, IN. The tombstone seems 

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[7] ' 

Looking at the picture, above, of my grandmother and Aunts the landscape around their house looks so 
stark. Thirty some years later I remember it looking so much different! That Palm Tree behind my Aunt 
Dorothy was probably about 100 ft tall. My grandfather had hoped that it would stay small. Well that did 
not turn out to be the case. The apricot tree, also in the picture, was huge and shaded the entire lawn when 
I remember it. I don't see the pomegranate shrubs which dominated the landscape in the front too. It's 
interesting to compare the landscape in the earlier picture to the one below taken in the 1960s. Look at the 
size of the Apricot tree and shrubs in the background. 

As I've said before my grandfather Charles Forgey was an outdoors man. Loved to hunt and fish. You can 
see it in this photo of him with his guns (see below) . He won marksmanship awards when he was in the US 
Marines. He liked to hang animal trophies in his house. I remember looking at Field and Stream magazine 
in my grandparents house, not really understanding what it was about lol. You can also see the Ivy, in 
the same picture, which covered the backyard. I recall the exact location of the photo. I liked the ivy and 
thought it made the yard feel cooler in the summer. I also remember a huge mulberry tree in the backyard 
with a picknick table around it. The neighbors behind my grandparents kept small livestock which I enjoyed 
looking at from the back fence. I remember they had some beautiful pheasants. It's nice to see the old 
pictures of family I remember, and others I would have like to have met. It's also fun to see the evolution of 
the landscape around my grandparents house. Looking at all the family pictures I can see the evolution of 
our family as a whole. 



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GGG Grandmother Elizabeth Wray-Forgey's grave. Freetown Cemetery 



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GGGG Grandparents Nathan Browning and Obedience McPike 



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[23] Comparing Marker Matches so Far 



Comparisons so far It sounds like the FT DNA lab was closed for Veterans' Day yesterday; so the rest 
of Mike's test results have not been posted (I am really anxious to see them!!!). We expect the rest of his 
results next week. This is where we are so far. We have a completed test for Roger Forgey representing the 
Andrew Forgey and Margaret Reynolds line and we have two testers who share a most recent common in 
1726 i.e. Samuel Forgey or Forgy. We have completed results for Darren. All three men are confirmed related 
through DNA testing so far. Roger and Darren share a genetic distance of 2. So they are confirmed to be 
related. It will be very interesting to see whether the two markers which separate both of them are shared 
by Mike Forgy? We will then have an idea of when those mutations occurred. After or before 1726? If they 
happened before then, Roger's line would have shared a common ancestor likely more than 100 year earlier. 
If the mutation occurred after 1726 they likely shared a common ancestor somewhere around the 1726 era. 
It appears that Roger's line experienced fewer mutations in their DNA than Darren's and Mike's lines? I 
surmise this from the number of matches Roger had with the members of the Ferguson group. Ferguson 
does seem to be the root name for Forgey. Darren matched some of the same Ferguson group members at a 
genetic distance of 5. This would mean he is only possibly related to them unless, someone in his line tests 
closer ( which would mean an extra mutation occurred recently). Mike Forgy already has a mutation not 
shared by the others with only 12 markers tested. This mutation occurred after 1726. I am expecting the 
Fergusons who matched Roger and Darren to resurface again when the rest of Mike's test results come in. 
I've copied all of the match results so far below. Actually Wayne Forgie is also only one marker off Mike 
at 12 markers (I guess FT DNA only lists those member matches with nearly exact name spellings in this 
catagory i.e. genetic distance 1. Forgie didn't register as a close spelling?). 



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Mr. Daren Edgar Forgy (¥37) 
Mr. Wayne A. Forgie Jr. (Y37) 
Gabriel Joseph Fergus on (Y37) 
Mr. LanyLaijghlin (Y67) 

Stanley Wlclirath (Y37) 
William Lewis Leigh Jr. (¥37) 
Frederic* John Galbraith 
Michael O.'Neal Elder (¥111) 



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Kenny Ferguson (¥37) 

Mr. Barry Ferguson (¥37) 

Mr. Jotin David Ferguson (YG7) 

Mr. Willi am P Laugh Nn(Y67) 

Mr David Edward Laughlin 

John Richard Gelston (Y37) 

Dr. David Malcolm Sfitt(Y67) 

Leo Wilson Mitchell (Y37) 

Jimme Robert Hem an dez(Y37) 

Mitchell Ray Martin 

Mark Edward Gordon (Y37) 



Mr. Fred {he) Duane Gordon (¥67) 
Charlie Wayne Stewart (Y67) 
George Ro he rt Ferguson (¥67) 
George W. Stuart {Y67) 
Hugh L McArthtrr (¥111) (Family Finder) 
Jacob Lee StewartSr f\'lll) 
James Oliver Slewan (Y67) 
Justin Lee Stewart (¥111) 



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Mr. Larry Laugmin (¥67) 
Daniel Men Piper 



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William Lewis Leigh Jr. (¥37) 
Frederick J Dhn Calbraitfi 
Leo Wri son Mitchell (Y37) 
Michael O.'Neal Eider (¥111) 



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Mlenael 0/N eal Elder (Y 1 1 1 ) 
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[38] William Kappel anti aircraft gun battalion 

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William Kappel 's Grave Netherlands American Cemetery 



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Remembering Veterans on Veterans Day 2011 We do honor the sacrifice of all veterans today. I espe- 
cially honor my Great Uncle William Kappel, who was a member of the 462 Anti Aircraft Gun Battalion. A 
few years ago I discovered that he was killed in Europe at the end of WWII. He was buried at the American 
Cemetery in the Netherlands. I have been unable to find out the circumstances of his death due a fire, and 
the loss of those records. When I asked my aunt if she knew anything about his service she said she thought 
he served in the South Pacific? I have verified that he was indeed buried in Europe, so I assume he was killed 
there. My father never really said nothing about his aunts and uncles; so I have only discovered most of my 
info about them through my own research. The only thing I have been able to glean from my questioning 
of family and research is that William Kappel was one of the 11 children of my great-grand parents Frank 
Kappel and Mary Kurta. He was born in Cudahy, Milwaukee, Wisconsin on 20 Sep 1915. He did marry, 
and was married when he was killed. Don't know if they had any children? My father Robert Kapple was 
born in 1933. My aunt June said that one Christmas my father got a train set (my father did love trains, 
and came to California from Chicago, IL by train). She said that my Grandfather Rudolph and his Uncle 
William hogged the train set on Christmas morning, and my father was upset because he couldn't play with 
it. In retrospect is nice to know that Uncle William had fun that Christmas with my Dad's train set :). [40] 




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What can DNA really prove? I've been mulling that over since receiving test results for another Forgey 
family line. I had read articles about DNA testing before actually becoming involved myself in August. I 
had a vague idea of how it would work, and what it would tell me. After two months experience working 
with results I am getting a much more realistic view of DNA testing for family history. 

So far we seem to have a match between Roger Forgey representing the Andrew Forgey, TN, line, and Darren 
Forgy representing the Samuel Forgey, NC, line. Another person representing the John Forgey line in PA 
had tested earlier and was not a match. We have at least four other family members who are somewhere in 
the process of testing, and three others who have at least preliminary results (with 25 markers in for Darren 
Forgy he is one marker off from Roger Forgey = Genetic distance 1). 
What DNA has achieved for us so far: 



1. It's confirmed that at least two Forgey lines are related which was impossible to do using traditional 
genealogy research. They apparently share a common ancestor in Ulster Ireland. We know from our 
research that the common ancestor link occurred before 1720, which is impossible to document with 
records. 

2. It may have eliminated a relationship with the John Forgy line? Although it is possible that a non 
paternity event occurred. It is good practice to have more than one person per line test in case of this 
kind of event. 

3. It has confirmed family tradition i.e. that the family was Scots-Irish. 

4. The link between the name Forgey and the name Ferguson has been verified. 

5. We have found more distant relations (Gilbert Ferguson, Kenneth Ferguson, George Robert Ferguson, 
John David Ferguson and Wayne Forgie). 

6. A link between our Forgeys and Co. Down Ireland is confirmed. Wayne Forgie's family is from Co. 
Down. 

So what can be expected when we get all of the results back. 

• Comparison of complete sets of results will hopefully give us more data about relationships, and a time 
frame for the most recent shared ancestor 

• A more precise Haplo group which will help confirm or refute a possible French origin or confirm the 
family had lived in Scotland for thousands of year 



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Answer the question regarding whether all the early Forgey/Forgys to settle in America were related 
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In conclusion, what DNA can do is tell you is whether you are related to someone at some point in time. 
It can't tell you exactly when. If you match someone else on every marker except 3 or 4 markers, on a 37 
marker test, then you can be reasonably sure the common ancestor lived hundreds of years ago. I was thinking 
yesterday what if all the Forgeys match perfectly and I can't differentiate the family lines? I remembered 
that is where all of the research I've collected, and others have shared with me comes in. With 11 years of 
research on my family line and the DNA test results to back up my assumptions I believe I will have a very 
well documented accurate family tree when all is said and done. 

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did not know it was a subclade of M223. I thought these two were totally separate. Below is a chart showing 
the relationship between the subclades. Roger was placed in the M223 clade by FT DNA. According to the 
Ferguson DNA project Roger's matches are in the subclade M284? Since there is a 99 percent probability 
that Roger is related to Wayne Forgie and Gabriel Ferguson at some point in time he must also share the 
British Isles clade. It sounds like one of the matches may have upgraded to a deep clade test. This is the 
way Ft DNA explains the test: "Family Tree DNA now offers its Y-DNA customers Deep Clade tests to 
determine or confirm the exact subclade or branch of their haplogroup. " It's also possible that differences 
in 3 markers led to a more specific subclade assignment for one of the other matches? I will contact the 
Ferguson project and ask about the reason for the M284 subclade assignment? According to Wikipedia:" 
I-M284, has been found almost exclusively among the population of [63] Great Britain, which has been taken 
to suggest that the clade may have a very long history in that island". The Scottish branch of 284 might be 
1,500 years old. So Roger's line may have been in Scotland for more than 1,500 years; and possibly as many 
as 3,000 years ago. So Roger's family may have descended from the ancient Pict population of Scotland. The 
Forgeys do seem to match the description of others assigned to this subclade. The M284 subclade is strongly 
associated with western Scotland. "The Fergus(s)on in this group show a strong connection with Ayrshire 
and Dumfriesshire. Sir James Fergusson of Kilkerran wrote: "there is some evidence strongly suggesting that 
the south-western Fergussons, living in Ayrshire and Dumfriesshire, took their name from Fergus, Prince of 
Galloway, a much less shadowy personage, who was an important figure in the reigns of David I and Malcolm 
IV." By less shadowy he was refering to Fergus Mor and the attendant Dalriada genealogy." My goal now 
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[74]Happy Halloween! 



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[85] Put Yourself in the Picture 



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Photo editing software. I've been playing with photo-editing software available for free online. Face 
in the Hole is fun. You can upload your own photo or use their template photos. I found some fun photos 
when I searched the site using the word "Victorian". I found the photo above which I used; and added my 
great-great grandfather Hugh Forgey and my picture to. I also uploaded a picture of my great grandmother 
Isis Browning-Forgey and her sister. I removed her sister's face and replaced it with my own. It's fun to 
play with this. You can snip a copy of your creation and edit it with free Picasa photo-editing software. 
The Halloween effects at Picnik are also fun to play with. Being a typical genealogist I love cemeteries. The 
cemetery over lay at Picnik is a fun, spooky, effect to add to photos. You can get to Picnik through Picasa 

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[98] Tracking Down DNA Matches and Digging Deeper 



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Tracking Down Matches The newest match for Roger Forgey came in yesterday and was a 25 
marker match with Kenneth Ferguson who had a genetic distance of 2. It seems like there is a 
match every week now. This is due to the efforts of the [100] The Ferguson DNA project which seems 
to be growing tremendously. We are lucky to have a large project relating to our surname. [101] 




.wo-kIs^-*". Above is a list of Roger Forgey's DNA matches. I decided 
to copy the image from FT DNA and add the places of origin for his matches. I got this info from emails 
sent to me by matches, and family histories posted at the Y Search DNA website. Several of the matches 
had no place of origin in the old country for their ancestors. A quick survey of the places does confirm 
our belief that the Forgeys were Scots Irish. All of the families, except a Hernandez match, appear to be 
Scottish or Scots Irish. Also the Scottish matches have Southwest Scotland origins. These people settled 
Ulster in large numbers. Digging Deeper The chart below is from the Ferguson DNA project which shows 
marker associations for I2bl British Isles subclade. It seems that the Gabriel Joseph match and Wayne 
Forgie match share the markers most often found in those from Cavan and the Belfast area of Ulster. [102] 



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[103]http://www. familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/defaul t.aspx?section=yresults . The countries of 
origin for this Haplo group also confirm Scottish origins for Roger Forgey's line. Something which stands out 
is the prevalence of the I2bl group in Germany. After doing some additional research I have come the conclu- 
sion that the early Forgeys might have migrated to Southwest Scotland from England. I believe the Forgeys 
were likely Anglo-Saxons or Norse. The Anglo-Saxons had invaded England in the 5th century A.D. Most 
experts agree that the I2bl Haplo group mainly stem from two sources, Norse and Anglo Saxon invaders. 
About 200,000 Saxons invaded England. Southern Scotland was heavily populated by Anglo Saxons, French, 
and Flemish settlers. The Saxons took refuge in Scotland where they fled from the Norman invaders.With 
the I2bl Haplo being more common in Saxony, Germany the most likely scenario is that the Forgeys were 

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Anglo Saxons, with a more slight possibility that they were Norse. According to some the I2bl haplo type 

originated in Saxony 9,000 years ago. As more research and DNA testing is completed we should be able to 

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more user friendly layout. It's more ascetically interesting to look at. The ability to add photos make this 
site more interesting and accessible to non DNA geeks. It's a very basic site which makes it easier to use than 
FT DNA. You can compare results between members, add files, photos and videos. You don't have to have 
tested with ancestry.com to join a group. The cons are a smaller database of individuals to compare with; as 
opposed to a larger database at FT DNA. Of course Ancestry.com's mission is much broader than FT DNA. 
They are not solely in the DNA testing business. This is reflected in the group layout at ancestry.com which 

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is much less scientifically oriented, and more personal. FT DNA, with it's scientific orientation, provides 

many tools for advanced analysis of DNA results. The charts and statistical info are useful tools for in depth 

analysis. I think that FT DNA is best for large surname studies. The Ancestry.com group model is best 

for small family group studies. A downside to FT DNA is that many people use it as a quick easy way to 

discover their family history. Some members have not done any traditional genealogy research. This makes 

finding a common ancestor with matches difficult. I find myself researching match's family histories in order 

to find the common ancestor. This can be time consuming and frustrating. I don't have any experience with 

matches at Ancestry.com but assume they have done some research using the databases at Ancestry? I have 

heard of people having successes using both sites. The most important thing is completing some research 

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[125]Are you curious about the group site layout at Family Tree DNA? 

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as large as the Benjamin Franklin study but growing :) (by the way there is a wonderful website for that 
project [128]http://www. roperld.com/franklinbendna. htm). Here are some pages from the group website at 
Family Tree DNA. There are some great tools for comparison of DNA results. FT DNA also offers webinars 
and other educational opportunities which are displayed at the home page. Test kits can be purchased from 
the group site at a discount. The only drawback to FT DNA's project groups is the fact that you have to 
buy a test in order to join. Ancestry's DNA groups allow anyone to join whether or not you purchase a test 
through them. 

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<h2 class =) date-header '><span>Thursday, November 17, 2011</span></h2> 

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width="245" /></a><b>Exciting week in genealogy! </b>I think I 

collected more family pictures this week than in the past few years 

combined. I also received an answer to the question regarding how 

William Kappel was killed in WWII on Veterans' Day. The 

battalion history for 462nd AAA is posted here <a 

href =" [6] http : //www . antiaircraft . org/PDF/462 . pdf " >http : //www . antiaircr 

aft .org/PDF/462.pdf</a>and mentioned William Kappel' s 

death. fenbsp; I was thrilled to receive an envelope in the mail from a 

Forgey Aunt and Uncle with family pictures and letters on Monday. I am 

so happy to finally have a closeup picture of my 

great-grandfather William Wray Forgey. Now if I could only get 

some pictures of my Kappel great-grandparents and Del Castillo 

great-grandparents I would have a complete set.On Sunday I 

received an email that one of my picture requests at Find A Grave had 

been filled. Interesting it was for the grave of great-grandfather 

William Wray Forgey 's great-grandmother Poley (Polly) Wray's 

tombstone. She is buried at Granny White Cemetery in Lawrence County, 

IN. The tombstone seems to be the only source for her birth and death 

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Looking at the picture, above, of my grandmother and Aunts the 
landscape around their house looks so stark. Thirty some years later I 
remember it looking so much different ! That Palm Tree behind my Aunt 
Dorothy was probably about 100 ft tall . My grandfather had hoped that 
it would stay small. Well that did not turn out to be the case. The 
apricot tree, also in the picture, was huge and shaded the entire lawn 
when I remember it. I don't see thepomegranate shrubs which 
dominated the landscape&nbspjin the front too. It's interesting to 
compare the landscape in the earlier picture to the one below 
fenbsp; taken in the 1960s. Look at the size of the Apricot tree and 
shrubs in the background . <br /> 

<div>As I've said before my grandfather Charles Forgey was an outdoors 
man. Loved to hunt and fish. You can see it in this photo of him with 
his guns (see below) . He won  marksmanship awards when he was in 
the US Marines. He liked to hang animal trophies in his house. I 
remember looking at Field and Stream magazine in my grandparents 
house, not really understanding what it was about lol. You can also 
see the Ivy, in the same picture, which covered the backyard. I recall 
the exact location of the photo. I liked the ivy and thought it made 
the yard feel cooler in the summer. I also remember a huge mulberry 
tree in the backyard with a picknick table around it. The neighbors 
behind my grandparents kept small livestock which I enjoyed looking at 
from the back fence. I remember they had some beautiful 
pheasants . </div><div>It ' s nice to see the old pictures of family I 
remember, and others I would have like to have met. It's also fun to 
see the evolution of the landscape around my grandparents house. 
Looking at all the family pictures I can see the evolution of our 
family as a whole. <br /> 
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<div class="separator" style="clear : both; text-align: 
left ; "><b>Comparisons so far </b>It sounds like the FT DNA lab was 
closed for Veterans' Day yesterday; so the rest of Mike's test results 
have not been posted (I am really anxious to see them!!!). We expect 
the rest of his results next week.</div><div class=" separator" 
style="clear : both; text-align: left;">This is where we are so far. We 
have a completed test for Roger Forgey representing the Andrew Forgey 
and Margaret Reynolds line and we have two testers who share a most 
recent common in 1726 i.e. Samuel Forgey or Forgy. We have completed 
results for Darren. All three men are confirmed related through DNA 
testing so far. Roger and Darren share a genetic distance of 2. 
So they are confirmed to be related. It will be very interesting to 
see whether the two markers which separate both of them are shared by 
Mike Forgy? We will then have an idea of when those mutations 
occurred. After or before 1726? If they happened before then, Roger's 
line would have shared a common ancestor likely more than 100 year 
earlier. If the mutation occurred after 1726 they likely shared a 
common ancestor somewhere around the 1726 era.</div><div 
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that Roger's line experienced fewer mutations in their DNA than 
Darren's and Mike's lines? I surmise this from the number of matches 
Roger had with the members of the Ferguson group. Ferguson does seem 
to be the root name for Forgey. Darren matched some of the same 
Ferguson group members at a genetic distance of 5. This would mean he 
is only possibly related to them unless, someone in his line tests 
closer ( which would mean an extra mutation occurred 

recently) .</div><div class="separator" style="clear : both; text-align: 
left;">Mike Forgy already has a mutation not shared by the others with 
only 12 markers tested. This mutation occurred after 1726. I am 
expecting the Fergusons who matched Roger and Darren to resurface 
again when the rest of Mike's test results come in.</div><div 
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all of the match results so far below. Actually Wayne Forgie is also 
only one marker off Mike at 12 markers (I guess FT DNA only lists 
those member matches with nearly exact name spellings in this catagory 
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honor the sacrifice of all veterans today. I especially honor my Great 

Uncle William Kappel, who was a member of the 462 Anti Aircraft Gun 

Battalion. A few years ago I discovered that he was killed in Europe 

at the end of WWII. He was buried at the American Cemetery in 

the Netherlands. I have been unable to find out the circumstances of 

his death due a fire, and the loss of those records. When I 

asked my aunt if she knew anything about his service she said she 

thought he served in the South Pacific? I have verified that he was 

indeed buried in Europe, so I assume he was killed there. My father 

never really said nothing about his aunts and uncles; so I have only 

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family and research is that William Kappel was one of the 11 

children of my great-grand parents Frank Kappel and Mary Kurta. He was 

born inCudahy, Milwaukee, Wisconsin on20 Sep 1915. He did 

marry, and was married when he was killed. Don't know if they had any 

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June said that one Christmas my father got a train set (my father did 

love trains, and came to California from Chicago, IL by train). She 

said that my Grandfather Rudolph and his Uncle William hogged the 

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<b>What can DNA really prove?</b>I J ve been mulling that over 

since receiving test results for another Forgey family line. I had 

read articles about DNA testing before actually becoming involved 

myself in August. I had a vague idea of how it would work, and what it 

would tell me. After two months experience working with results I am 

getting a much more realistic view of DNA testing for family 

history. <br /> 

So far we seem to have a match between Roger Forgey representing the 

Andrew Forgey, TN, line, and Darren Forgy representing the Samuel 

Forgey, NC, line. Another person representing the John Forgey line in 

PA had tested earlier and was not a match.We have at least four 

other family members who are somewhere in the process of testing, and 

three others who have at least preliminary results (with 25 

markers in for Darren Forgy he is one marker off from Roger Forgey = 

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What DNA has achieved for us so far:<br /> 

<ol><li>It's confirmed that at least two Forgey lines are related 

which was impossible to do using traditional genealogy research. They 

apparently share a common ancestor in Ulster Ireland. We know from our 

research that the common ancestor link occurred before 1720, which is 

impossible to document with records. </li> 

<li>It may have eliminated a relationship with the John Forgy 

line? Although it is possible that a non  paternity event 

occurred. It is good practice to have more than one person per line 

test in case of this kind of event. </li> 

<li>It has confirmed family tradition i.e. that the family was 

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<li>We have found more distant relations (Gilbert Ferguson, Kenneth 

Ferguson, George Robert Ferguson, John David Ferguson and Wayne 

Forgie) .</li> 

<li>A link between our Forgeys and Co. Down Ireland is confirmed. 

Wayne Forgie 's family is from Co. Down.</li> 

</olxdiv>So what can be expected when we get all of the results 

back.</div><div><ul><li>Comparison of complete sets of results 

will hopefully give us more data about relationships, and a time frame 

for the most recent shared ancestor</li> 

<li>A more precise Haplo group which will help confirm or refute a 

possible French origin or confirm the family had lived in Scotland for 

thousands of year</li> 

<li>Answer the question regarding whether all the early Forgey/Forgys 

to settle in America were related or at least come close to answering 

that quest ion</li> 

</ul><div>In conclusion, what DNA can do is tell you is whether you 

are related to someone at some point in time. It can't tell you 

exactly when. If you match someone else on every marker except 3 or 4 

markers , on a 37 marker test , then you can be reasonably sure the 

common ancestor lived hundreds of years ago . I was thinking yesterday 

what if all the Forgeys match perfectly and I can 't differentiate 

the family lines? I remembered that is where all of the research I've 

collected, and others have shared with me comes in. With 11 years of 

research on my family line and the DNA test results to back up my 

assumptions I believe I will have a very well documented accurate 

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sans-serif ; ">I mentioned the subclade I- M284 associated with the 

British Isles in a previous post. I did not know it was a subclade of 

M223. I thought these two were totally separate. Below is a chart 

showing the relationship between the subclades . Roger was placed in 

the M223 clade by FT DNA. According to the Ferguson DNA project 

Roger's matches are in the subclade M284? Since there is a 99 percent 

probability that Roger is related to Wayne Forgie and Gabriel 

Ferguson at some point in time he must also share the British Isles 

clade. It sounds like one of the matches may have upgraded to a deep 

clade test. This is the way Ft DNA explains the test: "</span><span 

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line-height: 16px; ">tests to determine or confirm the exact 
subclade or branch of their haplogroup . " </span><span 
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sans-serif ; ">It's also possible that differences in 3 markers led to a 
more specific subclade assignment for one of the other matches? I will 
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to Wikipedia:" I-M284, has been found almost exclusively among the 
population of <a href=" [88]http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain" 
title="Great Britain">Great Britain</a>, which has been taken to 
suggest that the clade may have a very long history in that island" . 
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="background-color: white; color: 
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284 might be 1,500 years old. So Roger's line may have been in 
Scotland for more than 1,500 years; and possibly as many as 3,000 
years ago. So Roger's family may have descended from the ancient Pict 
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subclade is strongly associated with western Scotland. "The 
Fergus (s) on in this group show a strong connection with Ayrshire and 
Dumfriesshire. Sir James Fergusson of Kilkerran </span>wrote : "there 
is some evidence strongly suggesting that the south-western 
Fergussons, living in Ayrshire and Dumfriesshire, took their name from 
Fergus, Prince of Galloway, a much less shadowy personage, who was an 
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had a genetic distance of 2. It seems like there is a match 

every week now. This is due to the efforts of the <a 

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list of Roger Forgey 's DNA matches. I decided to copy the image from 

FT DNA and add the places of origin for his matches. I got this info 

from emails sent to me by matches, and family histories posted at the 

Y Search DNA website. Several of the matches had no place of origin in 

the old country for their ancestors. A quick survey of the places does 

confirm our belief that the Forgeys were Scots Irish. All of the 

families, except a Hernandez match, appear to be Scottish or Scots 

Irish. Also the Scottish matches have Southwest Scotland origins. 

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shows marker associations for I2bl British Isles subclade. It seems 

that the Gabriel Joseph match and Wayne Forgie match share the markers 

most often found in those from Cavan and the Belfast area of 

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fault .aspx?section=yresults</a> . The countries of origin for 

this Haplo group also confirm Scottish origins for Roger Forgey's 

line. Something which stands out is the prevalence of the I2bl group 

in Germany. After doing some additional research I have come the 

conclusion that the early Forgeys might have migrated to Southwest 

Scotland from England. I believe the Forgeys were likely Anglo-Saxons 

or Norse. The Anglo-Saxons had invaded England in the 5th century A.D. 

Most experts agree that the I2bl Haplo group mainly stem from two 

sources, Norse and Anglo Saxon invaders. About 200,000 Saxons invaded 

England. Southern Scotland was heavily populated by Anglo Saxons, 

French, and Flemish settlers. The Saxons took refuge in Scotland where 

they fled from the Norman invaders .With the I2bl Haplo being more 

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were Norse. According to some the I2bl haplo type originated in Saxony 

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a more user friendly layout. It's 

moreascetically interesting to look at. The ability to add 

photos make this site more interesting and accessible to non DNA 

geeks. It's a very basic site which makes it easier to use than FT 

DNA. You can compare results between members, add files, photos 

and videos. You don't have to have tested with ancestry.com to join a 

group. The cons are a smaller database of individuals to compare with; 

as opposed to a larger database at FT DNA. Of course Ancestry. corn's 

mission is much broader than FT DNA. They are not solely in the DNA 

testing business. This is reflected in the group layout at 

ancestry.com which is much less scientifically oriented, and more 

personal. FT DNA, with it's scientific orientation, provides many 

tools for  advanced analysis of DNA results. The charts 

and statistical info are useful tools forin depth analysis. 

I think that FT DNA is best for large surname studies. The 

Ancestry.com group model is best for small family group 

studies. </div><div class="" style="clear : both; text-align: left;">A 

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discover their family history. Some members have not done any 

traditional genealogy research. This makes finding a common ancestor 

with matches difficult. I find myself researching match's family 

histories in order to find the common ancestor. This can be time 

consuming and frustrating. I don't have any experience with matches at 

Ancestry.com but assume they have done some research using the 

databases at Ancestry? I have heard of people having successes using 

both sites. The most important thing is completing some 

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left ; "><b>0ur surname DNA Project is growing : ) ! </b> Not quite as 

large as the Benjamin Franklin study but growing :) (by the way there 

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ld.com/franklinbendna.htm</a>) . Here are some pages from the group 

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of DNA results. FT DNA also offers webinars and other educational 

opportunities which are displayed at the home page. Test kits can be 

purchased from the group site at a discount .</div><div 

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drawback to FT DNA's project groups is the fact that you have to buy a 

test in order to join. Ancestry's DNA groups allow anyone to join 

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FT DNA Beta + Final DNA comparisons at 37 markers (2011-11-22 12:21) 

New beta site and finals to date When I saw that Mike Forgy's 37 marker results came in I noticed major 
changes to the FT DNA site. Here is the explanation I found posted there: "Beginning today, 11/21/2011, 
Project Administrators will have exclusive access to our new myFTDNA 2.0 BETA. Use the kit links within 
your project to access the new personal pages." It took me a few minutes to understand the new layout. I like 
it . There are some new ways to sort results such as by surname. I have to play with this after Thanksgiving 
to see what else you can do. I copied some of the new reports below. As you can see below the number of 
markers mismatched is now posted with the name on the far left hand side. 

I was very satisfied with the rest of Mike's results. Here is what we can infer so far with the 3 tests complete: 

1. Forgey is a variant spelling of Ferguson. Mike had 11 Ferguson matches and Roger had 5 ( see last two 
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2. There was a mutation in one of Mike's first 12 markers which was not shared by either Darren or Roger 
or any of the Fergusons which means this is a unique mutation in his line. 

3. Two mutations occurred in Darren's line which were not shared by either Roger or Mike. So they are 
unique to this line and can be used to set them apart. 

4. One marker tested in the last set for Mike did not match either Darren or Roger, but did match many 
Fergusons. So I wonder if Darren and Roger's line's both experienced a mutation at a later date? 

5. Larry Laughlin has been a close match to all three men and a perfect match for Mike. This may just be 
a coincidence or maybe a non paternity event? Some lines do have very few mutations so it's possible 
he is related before the adoption of fixed surnames? 

6. Many of the Forgey/Forgy matches tested positive for the Scottish Clade which I discussed before. So 
it looks like Roger and Darren will test positive when their results come back in late December (the 
new beta site shows deep clade results for matches). 



We should have more test results by late December. It is odd that Roger and Mike have 
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Happy Thanksgiving! (2011-11-24 08:57) 

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Charles and Graciela Forgey Family 1951 

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My DNA Wish List for Santa! Plus link to Our Group (2011-11-28 12:50) 

Most wanted DNA Made my list for Santa and it's all about DNA ;)! Considering we didn't 
have a DNA project before August 2011 we have made great progress so far! Here is a link to our 
Group Forgey /Forgy/Forgie: [l]http://www. familytreedna.com/public/Forg eyForgyForgie/ Just use the 
tabs across the top to see other pages. Click the Y DNA drop down menu to see the actual results so 
far. We should have more results by late December. 

We can always use more participants in our Forgey/Forgy & Forgie project. The larger the number of testers 
the more we can learn. DNA testing requires comparisons between matches, and patterns only come to light 
after groups of cousins pool results. 
Here is my most wanted Y DNA: 



1. Forgety line 

2. Gabriel Forgey line 

3. Archibald Forgey line 

4. Alexander Forgey line 

5. Hugh Forgey Bourbon Kentucky line 

6. William Forgey supposed French line 

7. John Forgy Cumberland, PA line (someone already tested on this line but I am not sure about the 

results?) 

8. Canadian Forgies 

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I have added in red those who have tested for each line in to the chart below (we are DNA testing to 
better determine the lines so some of these are guesses). Clinton Forgy has not returned his test yet and 
is testing in Samuel's line. We need to fill in the empty boxes, and we can use more testers in the An- 
drew line. Test prices start at $99 for 12 markers. We have a Forgey, Forgy, Forgie group at FT DNA 
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Forgey Autograph Collection and A Forgey is DNA Testing with Ancestry.com 
(2011-12-07 11:59) 

New Test Location Brandon Forgey is testing with Ancestry.com.. His father is testing with Family Tree 
DNA . This is the Maury County, TN Forgey family. It should be interesting to compare their results. None 
of the Forgeys have tested with Ancestry so far. We'll see what kind of matches they come up with. I believe 
the Maury County, TN Forgeys are closely related to Alexander Forgey of Tippecanoe, Indiana. 
I am always excited to find examples of the handwriting of our early family members. As you can see below 
everyone had a very distinctive signature. I can always spot Hugh's signature because of the way he forms his 
H, a very unusual style. I tried to copy his H and it took me a few tries. Everyone had their own distinctive 
tail loops on the g and y in Forgey, I am not used to writing a cursive F. The F is kind of a tricky and 
everyone forms it a little differently. When I analyze whether one of the Forgeys actually signed something I 
check previous confirmed signatures paying attention to the loop tail and the form of the F. James Forgey's 
signature is always difficult to read, so his name may sometimes indexed wrong? 

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My Grandfather Charles Forgey b. 1898 
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Alexander G. Forgey, Do We Have the Best Sources? (2011-12-09 11:51) 



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Is this proven I've written about Alexander G. Forgey in this blog before. I said I believed that he and 
Andrew Forgey of Maury County were likely brothers and could be sons of Alexander Forgey of Virginia. The 
Sawyers Harris Family history purports to document his family history. It was written in 1913 by Madison 
Monroe Harris and William Randolph Carter (I've embedded a copy below) . 



I've been going through the info in this book regarding his early history. According to the book he is the 
son of a James Forgey who entered 500 acres on Flat Creek, in Knox County, TN and lived on that land 
from 1792. It is odd that I have not been able to find a James Forgey in Knox County, TN court records if 
he lived there from this early date? This is very unusual since every male at some point served on a Jury. 

I immediately find more holes in this family history. As you can read above, James was said to have had 
four sons. Alexander, Hugh, Andrew and James. We know for a fact that Alexander and Andrew are closely 
associated. We find them witnessing documents, buying land next to each other on Flat Creek. There is 
never a James involved with any of them other than one described as living in Hawkins County, TN. There 
is never any evidence of a James Forgey living in Knox County, TN. The authors conclusion that Alexander 
had a brother James came from the fact that a James Forgy family had also settled in Northern Indiana, 
like Alexander G. later did. There was no basis in fact for this. As it turns out this James Forgey family 
did not come from Tennessee at all. It was just a coincidence they settled in the same area. Lucille Wallace 
also came to the conclusion that the James mentioned by the Sawyers Harris author, as the son of James 
brother to Alexander, was not. 

Another misidentification occurred regarding Hugh Forgey. Hugh Forgey was not Alexander G.'s brother at 
all. The Hugh Forgey living on Flat Creek was the son of Andrew Forgey and Margaret Reynolds. Hugh 
Crawford, grandson of Andrew and Margaret and born 1806 Knox County, TN, wrote in his Journal that 
his Uncle Hugh Forgey lived in Knox County, TN. 

At the face of it you would think the authors had a good sources for the family history. They tell us that 
James Forgey migrated early from Virginia to the Flat Creek area. Sounds like they knew what they were 

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talking about? Actually since Alexander was said to have been born in Virginia this was likely the basis for 
that statement . It was just another assumption. 

In 1802 James Forgey sold two equal portions of his 500 acre grant to Alexander G. and Andrew. This deed 
does not say anything about relationships. The land was sold to these men not given away to them. The 
price could not be called hugely discounted either. These deeds damage the circumstantial case that James 
was likely their father. The deed portion I copied above states that James Forgey of Hawkins County, TN 
is selling to Alexander Forgey of Knox County, TN. Well James Forgey of Hawkins County, TN brings to 
mind only one person that is James son of Andrew and Margaret. Not Alexander G.'s father at all. James 
was known to have purchased large land grants which he did not live on. He appears to have bought them 
for speculation. James being in Alexander G.'s age range seems to point to a cousin relationship. 

The only source for the James Forgey as Alexander's father appears to be the Sawyers Harris book which 
Lucille Wallace later quotes. I have seen nothing else. The only source mentioned in the Sawyers Harris 
Family History is the 500 acre land grant on Flat Creek. More than this is definitely needed. 

I can see where a circumstantial case might be built around the land grant, but this is not supported by the 
sales deeds. A family history is not a good source since they can be notoriously wrong when it comes to early 
generations. Building a good foundation for a family history requires several primary sources. One deed just 
isn't enough. We need some proof that there were two James Forgeys living in the Eastern Tennessee area 
at the same time, and nothing points to this so far. However we do know that James Forgey of Hawkins 
County, TN uncle Alexander Forgey sold his property in Washington County, VA in 1796 and disappears? 
So does Alexander Forgey relocate to Knox County with two sons? 

So has anyone proven who Alexander G.'s father is? No. Should we continue to search? Yes. 

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Was their father James, John or Alexander? (2011-12-12 11:48) 

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Children of Andrew and Alexander Forgey 



As I stated in my previous post we have not proven who Andrew and Alexander Forgey's father was? Both 
men show up out of the blue in Knox County, TN records in 1802; with Alexander making his first ap- 
pearance in March of 1802 when he serves on a Jury. Andrew makes his first appearance in the records in 
December 1802 with his land purchase. Several of Andrew's children are thought to have been born in Knox 
County. One child as early as 1795. So if that is true we know Andrew arrived there before we find him in 
any records. 

The ages of Alexander and Andrew are important to keep in mind when looking at the records I cite below. 
Alexander's year of birth is given as 1779 in a family bible. Andrew's year of birth can only be estimated. 
In 1820 he was said to be over 45, according to the census of that year. Taking in to consideration the fact 
his oldest child was born about 1795, this would put his year of birth somewhere between 1770 and 1774. 

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I've reexamined the deeds regarding the 500 acre land grant. The authors of the Sawyers Harris family 
history found this land grant for James Forgey and assumed that since he was older he was the father of 
the younger men found in the local records. James later sells the land to Andrew and Alexander, in 1802. 
The way it's divided 50/50 sounds like a possibility of father deeding to sons. The problems that tend to 
lead a person in another direction is the statement James Forgey of Hawkins County grants to Andrew and 
Alexander of Knox County, TN. There is also no hint as to what the relationship the seller is to the buyers. 
Alexander pays $100 dollars for 250 acres which would be equivalent to about $1700 today. That would 
be quite a bit of money to pay your father for land which you would likely inherit after his death? I read 
Andrew's deed over again also. His is more puzzling, and does not give a dollar amount just says for "valuable 
consideration". 

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Who else is confirmed to be in the area at the time, in the age range, to be their father? My feeling has been 
that Alexander Forgey of Washington County, VA would be the best candidate. Alexander said he was born 
in Virginia and his name being Alexander means he could have been a Junior? This would make Alexander 
and Andrew first cousins of the other Forgeys in the area. Of course there are always discrepancies. We 

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do not find either Alexander or Andrew on any of the tax lists for Washington County. VA? From the 
time Alexander, the older, purchases his property, until the time it was sold we only see young men in the 
household twice. Alexander sells his property and leaves the area in 1796. So Alexander would be too young 
to be included in the tax lists to 1796. But Andrew should appear if he lived in the area at that point, 
because I believe he would have been old enough? An explanation for this would be that Andrew Forgey 
left home and the area at a very young age? Can't locate a Will for Alexander Forgey, the older. Another 
fact which might point away from this possible connection is the fact Andrew did not have a son named 
Alexander. Although he may have a one and he died as a young child? 




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or Knox County, TN. James Forgey filed a probate for him in Hawkins County in 1793. He also sued a 
Joseph Beard on behalf of the estate in Knox County, TN in 1793. The fact he brought suit against someone 
in Knox County leads me to believe John may have lived there at some point? So could John have been a 
son of Alexander Forgey, the older and father to Andrew and Alexander? We know he is not Andrew Forgey 
and Margaret Reynolds's son because they had a son who lived at least until the 1820s. We do not find a 
John Forgey with Andrew and Alexander in their early years in this country. So we are left to assume this 
could be a son of Alexander who came of age at a later date. We do not find him on the 1774 Taxlist for 
Cumberland County, PA like we find Andrew and the older Alexander. So we assume he was too young in 
that year. We do not find John on taxlists for Washington County, VA either in the 1780's which we might 
expect. He could have been in Tennessee by that point? We do not find him purchasing land in Tennessee, 
or in any of the records until he is listed as deceased. Not having any further info regarding him it's hard to 
say whether he is their father or brother? He looks more like a possible brother however. 




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Arguments can be made for and against all of these men as fathers for Andrew and Alexander. It could 
be that they came to this Country without their parents at all? More research needs to be done. Going 
over everything again I noticed that both Alexander and Hugh Forgey sued Absalom Hankins. Hugh was 
involved in a suit with him in Knox County in January of 1801, and Alexander sued him in April 1802. 
Anyone interested in these lines may want to get more info on Alexander's lawsuits in Knox County. I have 
not looked at all of the sales deeds for Alexander Forgey, they might be useful too? More research in Maury 
County may be helpful too. 

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Timeline Helps Clarify Alexander and Andrew lines (2011-12-14 19:03) 

What I've learned from the timeline Going over everything yet again I found still more facts I missed 
before. In the process of verifying dates I discovered my error regarding James Forgey's year of birth. I was 
thinking it was 1766, but it was 1764. This bolsters my belief that he was the one who purchased the land 
warrant in 1788, for the 500 acres on Flat Creek in Knox County, TN. I had some misgivings about such a 
young man making such a large purchase. Now that I know he was a couple years older I feel more confident. 

James Forgey's father Andrew Forgey also owned land on Flat Creek, Knox County, TN. His brother, Hugh, 
did also. His sister Margaret Roberts lived on Flat Creek too. James was an elder in the Presbyterian Church 
and may have donated land for Washington Pike Church. 

Another thing that came to light was the fact that Alexander Forgey sold his 250 acre share of the 500 acre 
grant one month after purchasing it. That was in January of 1803. In 1807 he bought it back. He then sold 
it once and for all in 1815 but continued to live in Knox County until the 1830's. 

If my transcription of the 1806 Tax list for Knox County, TN is correct then Alexander and Andrew Forgey 
were sharing a 321 acre tract on Flat Creek? They were both taxed for the same tract. 

It still looks like most of the Forgeys in East Tennessee, early on, were descendants of Andrew Forgey and 
Margaret Reynolds, with Andrew and Alexander set apart with an unknown relationship to the others. 

This should be a good cheat sheet because I could never remember exactly what happened when. 

Below you can see my Timeline. You can click on each one to enlarge. Andrew Forgey husband of Margaret 
Reynolds is 1. Andrew. Andrew Forgey of Maury County is 2. Andrew. 1. Alexander is the older one of 
Washington County, VA. 2. Alexander is the one who settled in Tippecanoe, IN. 

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1 2 Alexander Totgny setts his 2E0 acres to John Smith 7 May just be a mortgage? (purchased land only one rnonth befo'e) 

1 2. Alexander Forgey Manies Elizabeth Sawyers 

\2, Andrew and 2. Alexander are both taxed on 321 acres? It looks like th*y were sharing the same land? In 1B03 sold his 2D0 share' 

(2. Alexander Forgey received the title to his land back rroni John Smyth 

■2 Alexander Forgey first appointed Justice of the Peace 

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ndre'jv Futgey is listed on a marriage bond a Maury County, TTJ 

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AnoVeu Forgey was oppontedl administralor of toe estale of Betsy Sawyers in Mauy County, TW 

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Both Roger and Darren have now tested positive for Isles Scottish Clade I2blal M284 L126. M284 probably 
originated in the British Isles around 2000 years ago. The L126 SNP is most frequent in South West Scotland 
and probably originated there over one thousand years ago. 

These tests also confirm the Forgey/ Forgys were originally Ferguson. The name Ferguson in Gaelic, and 
not Norman, so I had always figured the family was not Norman. 

My uncles, Charles Linn Forgey's, 25 markers have also come back. I was thrilled yesterday to find out that 
he matched Roger with no mismatches. Exact match so far! 

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Serendipity It was seven years ago this month ( December 23, 2004 to be exact) when Roger Forgey first 
contacted me by email. This is what he wrote: 

"Annette, I am beginning the search to figure out my Forgey line and go back as far as I can. My name is Roger 

Forgey There are several of our family members in Cleveland, Tennessee and Harrison Tennessee. These 

are about 70 south of Knoxville Tennessee. My father's name was John Milburn Forgey and grandfather's 
name was John Melborne Forgey and his father was Dave Forgey. I don't have a lot of information but am 
trying to start. I would appreciate all the advice you might give me... 

I am so glad he decided to contact me :)! That was a stroke of good luck for me. I was not able to answer 
his question right away, and it actually took me several years to figure out which line he belonged to. I 
worked out which line he belonged to in 2010. I was going through Carla Rotmans's pedigrees online and 
noticed John Milburn Forgey, and the fact the family lived in McMinn, TN (apparently Lucille Wallace had 
them as descendants of James Forgey and Fidelia Alderson, which can be disproven using the 1850 Census.). 
So I began doing some research on the Forgeys of McMinn, TN. I found a Nancy Forgey, daughter of an 
Armstrong, in some online McMinn County, TN records. There were references to Hawkins County, TN. 
Apparently her father died there and she was from there. 

So bingo; we now had a connection to the Forgey family of Hawkins County, TN. From there I took a brief 
detour, and put the family in the wrong line. I found an Andrew Forgey listed on some of the 1829+ taxlists. 
I also found a John listed later. So I thought Andrew son of Margaret Reynolds migrated there with his son 
John. Later I discovered my error when I found out Andrew died in Hawkins County, TN and John was still 
in Hawkins County, TN in 1840. So I eliminated that possibility. 



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I went back to the drawing board. I could not figure out the connection immediately. I did remember 
something about Nancy Forgey I photo copied years before. I could never place her with a particular Forgey 
male, and all the marriage records had been lost for that time period. By 2010 I had been able to find the 
wives of all the Forgey males in eastern TN except John Forgey (uncle of the John I mentioned previously) . 
So he became my focus. I believed John Forgey, or Forga as listed on the 1820 Census for Maury County, 
TN, was the same man I was looking for. He did not appear on any Census's after 1820. Apparently he 
died after the 1820 Census. I did later find Nancy Forgey with her children living near Armstrong siblings 
in McMinn, TN. When I compared the number of children in John and Nancy's households they seemed to 
match very well. With that plus the fact that the name John was used in the family for generations I felt 
I was on the right track. I then remembered a letter that Hugh Crawford had written in the 1830's about 
John Forgey's son Andrew dying; this clinched the likelihood I had the right person. An Andrew Forgey was 
on taxlists in 1829+ in McMinn, TN and did not appear after 1834 when Hugh Crawford said he had died. 
I feel the circumstantial case is very good. Now we also have DNA on that line backing up our assumptions. 

By collaborating we have been able to further all our lines, and become acquainted with some new cousins. 
It's been a very rewarding in so many ways :)! 

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Cousin! Or so the story goes? It all hinges on a 15 year old WIDOW who married a 50 year old man, and an 
Indian Prince? I found this juicy family story at findagrave. This is what it says: "Mary Ann Hanks was the 
daughter of John & Elizabeth Hanks. She was born October 05, 1827 in McMinn County, Tennessee. Family 
legends has it that Mary Ann was married for a brief time to and Indian prince by the name of Forgey? 
but that has never been confirmed and they had no children. Mary Ann was then married to William T. 
McCallie of Chattanooga, Tennessee on September 18, 1842, This was a strange union because William T. 50 
at the time and Mary Ann was only 15." I immediately performed a logic, credibility test on this interesting 
yarn. It didn't seem to pass the test :). I know the Forgeys of McMinn, TN were not Native American. 
John Forgey's, progenitor of this McMinn Clan, descendant Roger has been DNA tested and is of Scots- Irish 
heritage. His wife, Nancy Armstrong, was born in Prince Edward County, VA and her family wasn't Native 
American either. I have not run across a fifteen year old widow in my family research either? A connection 
was also made between Mary Ann Hanks and Abraham Lincoln's mother Nancy Hanks. All of this smacked 
of someone trying to establish a connection to Abraham Lincoln's family, and hence all these unlikely facts. 
Well I may have given up the research there, if not for fellow genealogy researcher Karen De Groote. She was 
able to find more about the Hanks family which adds credibility to this incredible story. She found a reference 
to John Hanks Will, which did mention a daughter Mary. He also mentioned a wife Elizabeth in the will. John 
Hanks does says he was born in North Carolina on the 1860 US Census. I was able to find the supposed to 
connection in this family and Abraham Lincoln in this tree at Rootsweb [2]http://wc. rootsweb. ancestry.com- 
/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=R EG &db=ldkingsley &id=I003134 

So my personal connection to the Hanks family would be that my ancestor Hugh Forgey would have been 
the Uncle of the Forgey male who married Mary Ann Hanks. Mary Ann would have been a several times 
great-grand daughter of William Hanks born 1654, and the several times great-granddaughter of Nancy 
Hanks-Lincoln. So the cousin relationship would not be very close between Abraham Lincoln and Mary 
Ann, being that they shared a common ancestor in 1654, in North Farnham, Richmond Co., VA. 
My connection is tenuous at best, lol, to the Hanks Family and Abraham Lincoln.. I will take any possible 
connection to Lincoln, however. I have not been able to find a marriage so far between a Mary Hanks and 
a Forgey so far. John Forgey and Nancy Armstrong do have some unidentified sons, per the 1820 and 1830 
Census's. So can I add Abraham Lincoln to our family tree. NOT Yet lol. 

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A Software Generated Family History (2011-12-27 11:37) 

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members. It produced a nice layout, with lots of detail included in the family group layout. It also produced 
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I also downloaded a free trial of The Family Historian software. I created another modified register here. It 
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group level whereas Family Historian only gave date ranges and no spouse info at this level. I could not 
manipulate the pictures in the Rootsmagic program but could with Family Historian. I was able to make 
the pictures small, medium and large. I could also move them. I later found out I could change the size of 
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A Software Generated Family History (2011-12-27 14:10) 

I've been comparing software generated modified descendant registers for creating a Family History. You can 
generate a book using this report. Once you've produced your report you can upload it to Internet Archive 
and share it with family. 

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I also downloaded a free trial of The Family Historian software. I created another modified register here. It 
produced a slightly different layout. I believe that company is based in the UK where they have a different 
protocol for the arrangement of the data. Rootsmagic provided more details for individuals at the family 
group level, whereas, Family Historian only gave date ranges, and no spouse info at this level. I could not 
manipulate the pictures in the Rootsmagic program, but could with Family Historian. I was able to make 
the pictures small, medium and large. I could also move them. I later found out I could change the size of 
the pictures at Rootsmagic by going into settings then options, and resizing them. I don't think you can 
move them in Rootsmagic? 

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I like the uncluttered, neater, layout Family Historian produced. It's easier for family members to read. 
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I also tried Ancestral Quest's Modified Register which produced this layout: 



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This report did not include spouses at the family group level. It's interesting that it did give info about sex. 
It's not as attractive as the other reports but readable. The default picture size is small. 



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Ancestral Quest Index 



Ancestral Quest like Rootsmagic generates an index. The index is even more detailed than Rootsmagic 
giving the ID number of each individual in addition to the page number and dates. 



Legacy seems to generate a report similar to Ancestral Quest. It does have a more attractive layout with a 
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It appears that the Legacy modified register doesn't have an index either. 

Here is a sample of the same sort of report produced by The Master Genealogist: 



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This report provides a substantial amount of info about individuals. It reads more like a word processor 
style document; the layout is basic no frills. 

I like the Rootsmagic and Family Historian layouts the best. I think the Rootsmagic version is excellent. 
The Family Historian layout is good to give to family members not that familiar with genealogy. They can 
quickly scan the info which is very simply layed out. Too much info, too cluttered may put off those not 
familiar with genealogy. 

I found out that I could add biographical info using comments. Without the biographical info these reports 
can be about as interesting as reading a phone book. I also found it may be necessary to remove some of the 
facts and events you may have in your database. These can result in very odd sentences. You may also get 
a sentence that reads "undefined sentence." That means you need to remove a bit of information connected 
to that person. It's best to use notes/comments to give info about Military Service etc. Sources may come 
out jumbled also. It's probably best not to activate sources for reports for those not familiar with genealogy. 
You can include some important sources in notes. 

It is good to print and read a narrative report like this. I found many mistakes on my gedcom. It's difficult 
to spot mistakes unless you create a narrative. 

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[l]View Annette's project 

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My Canvas a Boring, Expensive Family History Book? (2011-12-30 14:55) 



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[1] 

I have been trying out the My Canvas family history book creator at Ancestry.com. You can view my own 

project here [2]View Annette's project. 

You can use any family tree you have uploaded to Ancestry to create your book. You can also use any 

documents and photos you have stored there too. Using their book designer is a little tricky. Creating a 

book is very time consuming. You can only add 4 generations initially. You can then continue adding new 

pages with more generations. 

It definitely could be more user friendly. For instance you have the option to upload 3 or 4 generations at a 

time. There should be an option for fewer, because you may end up with many more pages than you actually 

want. You may end up with to many time lines especially. I think I would only want a time line for key 

people. I can't imagine wanting a time line for every individual. So you have to go in and delete the pages 

you don't want. Very time consuming. More options for adding pages, and deleting several at a time would 

be helpful. 

Adding text is a pain too. This is designed to be more of a picture book than a real Family History. 

I've uploaded a few examples of the pages I created here. The family group sheet is above. The first two 

below are examples of individual time lines. Too bad you can't insert more events and years. You are stuck 

with their default events. There isn't a military confederate background either. Don't know if confederates 

would want Lincoln on their time line? 

If you are creative and have time on your hands you can get a very nice final product. Otherwise the basic 

book is not worth the expense. 



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I liked your review because I've heard of My Canvas, but didn't know anything about it. Too bad it isn't a good 

product. Thanks for telling us about it. 



Annette (2011-12-30 21:16:06) 
Thank you Barbara! 



Nothing but Good News to end the Year with! (2011-12-31 20:35) 




Nancy {Mdvin) Hicks 
(1806-1903) 

[1] 

It's been a really good year for genealogy :)! I've had several major breakthroughs. I received the 
final DNA test results for my Uncle Charles Forgey. At 37 markers he mismatched Roger Forgey by only 
one marker. That is described by FT DNA as a "Tight Match". They say very few people achieve that close 
a match. My family and Roger share a common ancestor back in 1732 when our shared ancestor Andrew 
Forgey was born. I only had circumstantial evidence of this before. Now the DNA backs this up. Really 
very satisfying! I had no idea they would match that close considering two other testers confirmed to share 
a common ancestor in the 1720's mismatched by 4 markers at 37 markers. If that had happened in our case 
it would have led to second thoughts about our relationship. 

The one mismatch with Roger was a mutation occurring in our line. It was not shared by our other testers 
either. The single mutation made a big difference as far as the number of matches my Uncle got versus 
Roger. My Uncle got sixteen matches and he got 30 matches. That one mutation cut the matches by half. 

[2] [dna+chart . JPG] 
These are our results to date. 

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I made a happy discovery in my ancestry messages. I don't check that message box very often. I didn't 
notice a message had been there since September about a Joshua Hicks book. It's available at Lulu and 
Amazon [3]http://www. lulu.com/product/ebook/descendants-of-joshu a-hicks/17440597 . I purchased the 
digital copy a few day ago. It's really excellent. I was thrilled to find a picture of a many times great 
grandmother Nancy Melvin-Hicks. I have been researching her family extensively, so seeing a picture was a 
wonderful treat! I believe she is the earliest ancestor I have a picture of. She was born in 1806. I do plan on 
doing more research on her in the New Year! 

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Chapter 2 



2012 



2.1 January 

My Family and the Rose Parade (2012-01-01 18:07) 

IFRAME: [1] http://www.youtube.com/enibed/LfhVeBkqSrs 

My mother's family, the Forgeys, settled in Southern California in 1925. My Nicaraguan grandmother, 

Graciela Del Castillo-Forgey was able to integrate into American culture very quickly. The Hispanic heritage 

of California was familiar to her too. She loved American holidays which she celebrated heartily. 

In the late twenties my Forgey Grandparents moved to Glendale, California close to the Rose Parade city 

of Pasadena. My grandmother became acquainted with a float designer for the City of Glendale. My 

grandmother loved attending the parade. During the Depression the Parade was great free entertainment. 

My grandmother's husband and children didn't always share her enthusiasm for the parade. Even way back 

then the traffic around the parade route was bad. My grandfather drove there once, but was very annoyed 

by the traffic and would not go again. You have to get there early or camp out to get a good view. It can 

be very cold and uncomfortable waiting for the parade. My mother didn't enjoy all of these inconveniences 

either, but often accompanied her mother like a dutiful daughter. My mother did enjoy the 1939 parade 

when she saw Shirley Temple in person. Shirley Temple shares my mother's birthday. 

My Kapple family came to California after WII. My father Robert Kapple would send a copy of the Rose 

Parade program to his Great Aunt Sister Mary Kathleen (Bridget) Mullen who worked at a Catholic Girls 

boarding School in Chicago, Illinois. She would look at it with the students who enjoyed a great deal as I 

hear. 

I collected the souvenir programs as a teenager. My family would often take a ride on New Year's Eve along 

the parade route. We would only move at about a snails pace along Colorado so I could purchase a program 

while waiting for the traffic to move. I enjoyed seeing the crowds camping out and celebrating. Our car 

would get pelted with dried marshmallows which sounded like hail hitting the car, and silly string. On the 

way home we sometimes caught a glimpse of the floats be moved to the parade site. 

We did attend the parade once. It was fun but pretty exhausting. We generally would just go to see the 

floats when they were parked. It used to be free. You would have to pay to park close. We always parked 

on someones front lawn across the street. That was a big money making opportunity for local residents; 

having people park on their property for $5 or $10. It usually took about an hour in traffic to get to the 

float viewing area. Heading home it would look like a tornado hit Colorado Blvd. with old couches (used by 

parade viewers) and trash everywhere. 

It was fun though and they are even more beautiful in person. 

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To do list for New Year (2012-01-02 13:07) 

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Last year was very productive genealogy wise. I joined Second Life last January which helped introduce me 
to the genealogy community on the internet. As a result I began attending Webinars. I started this blog 
last March after attending a Dear Myrtle blogging Webinar. I began listening to Genea Bloggers radio even 
before starting my blog. All of this activity led to a more focused approach to my research which has paid 
off. I plan on maintaining this approach this year. I am going to work on improving citations and locating 
sources. This is my target list for this year: 



1. I still have not found the purchase deed for Hugh Forgey's property in Flat Creek, Knox County, TN. 
He probably purchased the land in the 1780's or 1790's? Will attempt to find the deed. 

2. I would like to collect more maps of the areas where my ancestors lived. I especially would like to get 
a better map of the Possum Creek area of Hawkins County and Flat Creek area of Knox County, TN. 

3. I will keep googling my family names in hopes of someone posting transcriptions of letters or diaries. 
Fve pretty much exhausted currently available records at the government level so private sources could 
be best in the future. 

4. I plan on ordering a copy of the Deeds Index for Maury County, TN. Fve looked some court records 
for that area but didn't find anything useful (someone reminded I can order the film online. 

5. I need to keep checking the Newspaper project for Tennessee which still has not been completed. I am 
hoping the early Knoxville Gazette will be available online soon. This should be a great source for the 
early history of the area. 

6. I need to fix some gedcom problems. 

7. I plan on continuing to work on my family history book/report. 

8. I will move over to Clermont, Ohio and do some more research on Nancy Melvin-Hicks. I would love 
to find an obituary for her. 

9. I still have not found the death years for Patrick Mullen and Mary Huvane in Ireland (my great 
great-grandparents) . 

10. I have a long genealogy book reading list I hope to get through this year. 

11. More Forgey/Forgety DNA testers would be nice! 

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The National Register of Historic Places Registration Form I found this form to be a great resource 
for local history and family history. This Knox County, TN form is packed with information about the early 
history of Tennessee and Knox County [2]http://pdfhost. focus. nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/64500608.pdf. It 
mentions many of the early residents too. I did find a factual error. The person who built the fort at Harbison 
Crossroads was actually James Reynolds not John. This application involved multiple sites and buildings and 
contains more info than an average form. Even a shorter form can contain some very interesting historical 
info about a building or location, and family. Below you can see an example of the kinds of details that were 
recorded. 



Campbell's Station in west Knox County began in 1787, when Colonel David Campbell and his brothers James 
and Alexander built a blockhouse on the west bank of Turkey Creek near the present Avery M. Russell House 
(NR 6/5/75). A tavern, tannery, wagon shop and cabinet factory were located there, on the road to Nashville, in 
the early IfiOOs. Samuel Graham Ramsey founded Pleasant Forest Church there. By :S10. Charles McClung 
and William Campbell had opened a general merchandise store Alexander Campbell moved to the RiverdaJe 
Community in 1 792, when he felt it was safe from Indian attack. His house is at 6722 Thomgrove Pike (Survey 
No. 2496). His son, William, soon followed, and located in the Pdvcrdale Community around 1815. William's 
house (Survey No. 2500) still stands. George Fartagut lived a few miles, away at Stortey Point, later known as 
Lowe's Ferry. Other settlers in the area were the Russell s and the Lowes, who built a fort south of Campbell's 
Station on the Tennessee. 
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Below is an example of the kinds of info you may find about an individual. 

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Sawyer's Fort was approximately ten miles east of Adair's Station, near the present community of Corryton. In 

1785, Colonel John Sawyer acquired one thousand acres in the eastern part of the county. He built a two-story 
log house (since demolished) surrounded by a stockade on the bank of Big Flat Creek where Emory Road 
crosses the creek, two miles east of present day Corryton and sixteen miles from White's Fort. In 1795, Sawyer 
bought more land from StOckiey Donelson to sell to other settlers. The Adair family lived here when they first 
moved into the area, moving when their log house (Adair's Station) was built Colonel Sawyer fought m the 
Battle of King's Mountain during the American Revolution. He was also a member of Washington Presbyterian 
Church, organized in IS02. His son William later acquired a portion of his father's holdings and built a frame, 
Greek Revival-styled house (1 832) located on Washington Pike. The Sawyers-McBee House (Survey No. 2625) 
still stands and continues to be occupied by descendants. 



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are generally posted as PDF's. I think the information provided is very interesting to include in a Family 
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Where is the West Fork? Being a Larry Hagman fan I know where South Fork is. Now I just need 
to find out where the West Fork of Flat Creek is in Knox County, TN. This Flat Creek area is a mystery 
to many. Lucille Wallace the author of the 1950's version of the Forgey Family History was unclear about 
it's exact location. She seemed to place it in Hawkins County, not realizing that area later became a part of 
Knox County, TN. This threw me and others off. When I began searching for Flat Creek I looked at maps 
for Hawkins County and couldn't find it. When I posted a query at a message board I was told it was in 
Knox County; I then located the general area. 



When I received photocopies of the deeds I noted that Hugh Forgey sold his Flat Creek property to Christian 
Shell. I found a Shell Lane and Cemetery on a map for the area; I assumed the land was in that area. The 
land was not literally on Flat Creek. I had read that sometimes the nearest creek was mentioned on these 
early deeds, and did not mean the property was located on the creek. 

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Now that I am trying to put together a narrative family history I decided I wanted to include a map of the 
area where the family lived. I decided I should try to do some fact checking. I got the deeds out and read 
the location descriptions. Glad I did that because the deeds do say the family properties were located on 
Flat Creek. Here is what they say: 

• James Forgey's grant states the location "Beginning on the North side of the Holston River on a Branch 
of Flat Creek" 

• Alexander Forgey's deed states the land was "on the waters of Flat Creek" 

• Andrew Forgey's deeds state "on the waters of Flat Creek" 

• Hugh Forgey's deeds state his land was "on the west Fork of Flat Creek" 

Armed with these descriptions I am now trying to locate the exact location. My ancestor Hugh's property 
description is the most descriptive "West Fork." I have not been able to locate a map with that particular 
location. I did find a query posted by someone also looking for that location. I also found out Hugh's brother- 
in-law John Beaird lived on the West Fork of Flat Creek. I checked the taxlist I have for Hugh Forgey when 
he lived on Flat Creek. I google searched some of the names plus Flat Creek. When I searched Bostian 
Graves I found a website where I found this info "The writer has no knowledge as to the original grantees to 
tracts of land on the head waters of Little Flat Creek. Most of them had served in the Continental Armies of 
North Carolina or Virginia during the Revolutionary War. Daniel Graves and his father Boston (Sebastian 
) Graves (Graff) were in the area May 23, 1797.it is believed they came to Tennessee from Montgomery 
County, Virginia. They had earlier lived in Orange County, North Carolina. Since this recorder (Scharmal 
Veronica Triesch Conley) is a descendant of both Daniel and Boston Graves much of this compilation will 
relate to them and their descendants. On May 23, 1797, Daniel Graves bought 200 acres of land from John 
Beard. The land was located in the head waters area of Little Flat Creek, first known as Gravesville and 
later Graveston. The land is recorded in Book C-l, pg. 131, Knox County, Tennessee. " 

I remembered that Lucille's book, and the earlier Forgey Family History did state James Forgey's land was 
on Little Flat Creek. I will have to order copies of the rest of the Flat Creek deeds to see whether any of 
the later ones offer a more detailed description of the location? None of the deeds I've seen say anything 
about Little Flat Creek. There was a Little Flat Creek and a Big Flat (a Forgey relation John Sawyer's lived 
on Big Flat Creek). Since I did find a couple of references to Little Flat Creek when I googled the names 
appearing on the Taxlists it is possible the Forgey properties were located on that creek? 

I will contact the Knox County archives regarding the West Fork of Flat Creek. In early times Little Flat 
Creek may have been known as the West Fork of Flat Creek? If so the Forgey properties may be located 
near present day Emory Road and the Little Flat Creek Baptist Church. It was thought Washington Pike 
Presbyterian Church was located on Forgey land, but Flat Creek is several miles from there; not likely. 

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Karen DJ (2012-01-10 14:04:13) 

Ahh Annette, real estate is my forte! A couple of observations: 

Headwaters: Headwaters are very small but get larger bodies of water on their way down, that empty into a named 

body of water, in your case Flat Creek. You are lucky it has remained the same name all these years. 

West fork vs Big or Little: The west fork can actually be north or south depending on which direction from source 

the fork ends up. It can be big or little depending on the size of the creek. 

Do you have maps of the time period? You cannot go by what creeks will be named today. Have you traced the 

land owned by your Forgey's to the present day? If you do you will have Section, Township, Range numbers that will 

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pinpoint your location without any problem whatsoever. I would be happy to help with your land problem. 
Karen 

Annette (2012-01-10 14:21:27) 

Thanks very much Karen! The Forgeys sold there properties on Flat Creek in the early 1800's. I have not traced 
to property to the present owners. I live in California and have not been to Tennessee. Thanks for the idea about 
tracing the title to the present day. That might be the best way to find the land. Unfortunately Eastern Tennessee 
never used Section, township etc. However, there should be a way to search ownership titles. I am trying to find early 
maps too. Using present maps I am finding many branches of both Flat Creeks. Thanks again! 



West Fork of Flat Creek Found? (2012-01-12 12:51) 

[1] [Boston+Graves+marker . jpg] 
Field Stone marking Boston Grave's burial site on Little Flat Creek 



I've been continuing to trace the land of Hugh Forgey's neighbors in order to find the location of his Flat 
Creek property. It seems like Little Flat Creek was not identified as such until the mid nineteenth century; 
which leaves me with the question was the West Fork later identified as Little Flat Creek? Early deeds never 
seem to refer to it. I've found a number of transcriptions for Flat Creek deeds on the internet. Flat Creek, 
and the West Fork of Flat Creek were common names used on deeds for the area. 

I found a website with many of 

John Beaird's deeds transcribed on it : [2]http://thebeardfamilyhistory.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline _of _the 
_Beard _Family: _Where _They _Were, _What _They _Were _Doing 

John Beaird (brother-in-law of Hugh) owned 400 acres at the Headwaters of the West Fork of Flat Creek. I 
figured if I could find his land I would then answer my question. I had searched for Boston Graves earlier 
(knowing he was a neighbor of Hugh). I had found out that John Beaird had sold land to Boston and his 
son. Boston was said to have lived on Little Flat Creek according to a descendant. I wasn't sure if that Little 
Flat Creek land was previously owned by John Beaird? I did find references to the sale of this property by 
John Beaird to Levi Hinds as follows: 

iitubbs. 

Sept. 17, 179£ Age 19-21. Father bought 1B3 acres on the We3. ?ark □= Flat 
Creek from John Beaird. 

Feb 4 t 1799 Age 23-24. Father sold FTar: Creek land to Boston Graves. 
Apr- 7„ 1799 Age 22-34. DATE OF THE SURVEY OF THE LAND GRANTED TO JOHN 
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Levi Hinds sold the Beaird property to Boston. This still didn't connect Little Flat Creek and the West 
Fork. I later found this about Boston's burial which does make the connection: 



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Canwtory it on that tract,. 

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I was able to establish the connection using all of these facts and going to Find-a-Grave and looking for 
Boston's burial place. Luckily he was listed there, and the address of the Graves Cemetery was given. I 
looked it up at google maps and found out it was located on Little Flat Creek. I now have some evidence 
that the West Fork of Flat Creek and Little Flat Creek are the same. Along with previous statements by 
family researchers, everything is pointing to Hugh Forgey's property being located on Little Flat Creek. 

I found Hugh Forgey mentioned on other West Fork deeds. Some of the men sharing property lines were: 
William Beaird (John's brother?), Absalom Hankins, and a Reynolds no first name ( may be his cousin 
John?) Mynatt's and Gibbs also lived close. Hopefully, I will be able to find the exact location of the 
property eventually! 

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What was "Breast Complaint"? (2012-01-16 13:45) 

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Early medical terminology can be confusing. I've been looking for definitions of some of the diseases my early 
family had. Some of the names they used could be misleading. For years I was thinking breast complaint 
must be breast cancer. Four women in the same family died of this, i.e, Polly Forgey, Ellen Forgey, Betsy 
Forgey, and Rachel Forgey. I was thinking it was hereditary breast cancer. When I googled "died of Breast 
Complaint" I found several references to tuberculosis. I found a google book called, "Language of Mormon 
Pioneers." Here is their definition of breast complaint: 

Ure*<i[ Complainl — n. Tuberculosis. 

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According to the Crawford family letters (written in the mid- nineteenth century) a number of Forgey family 
members suffered from "ague". I had no idea what that referred to? I found out it most likely referred to 
malaria. It could also have been a fever with symptoms similar to malaria. I remember reading about how 
diseases I thought were tropical were present in early America. Malaria and Yellow Fever epidemics were 

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common in early America. 

Apoplexy also perplexed me. Apoplexy would be referred to as a stroke today. 

Before clinical tests were developed the cause of death or disease could only be surmised from previous 

experience or autopsy, and may not have been accurate. Scholars still debate the causes of some early 

epidemics. 



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Jenny Lanctot (2012-01-16 15:33:20) 

I feel your pain. The agues have different types too ... could be typhus (Irish or Spotted Ague), malaria (Chronic), 
or (my personal favorite) "Leaping Ague" - increased efficiency, but depraved direction of the will, producing an irre- 
sistible propensity to dance, tumble, and move about in a fantastic manner, and often with far more than the natural 
vigor, activity, and precision. 

In hindsight, my daughter was apparently afflicted with Leaping Ague from age 3 to age 9. 
Here's a link that might help: http://www.antiquusmorbus.com/English/EnglishA.htm 
Some fantastical descriptions of diseases back in the day. 

Annette (2012-01-16 17:29:07) 

Thanks very much for the info Jenny! Yes, some very strange disease descriptions, for sure :D! I will definitely take a 

look at the link. I am often stumped by causes of death. 

Wendy (2012-01-20 07:00:23) 

One of my ancestors died of "Epaulus." Since I've been unable to find a definition anywhere, I'm wondering if it's a 

misspelling, but of what? 

Annette (2012-01-20 10:12:48) 

Wow, that is strange! Never seen that one before. It is likely a misspelling. If you find out what that was let me 

know. I'm curious. 

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Breast Complaint a Misdiagnosis? (2012-01-17 13:27) 



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Now I am wondering whether "Breast Compliant" was a misdiagnosis? I am sure an accurate diagnosis would 
be hard to come by in early America and rural Tennessee especially. The James Forgey and Margaret Cald- 
well family may have been completely decimated by Tuberculosis which was commonly known as "Breast 
Compliant" in early America. Or could it have been breast cancer? Four Forgey sisters all are described as 
dying of "Breast Compliant". TB sometimes spreads to the ducts and nodes of the breasts causing lesions. 
Could breast cancer lesions be mistaken for TB lesions? I would think that could be a possibility. Did the 
women have a cough? No one gave the details of their symptoms so it's impossible to say. 
I wondered how common it would have been for that many members of one family to die of TB? My great- 
grandmother Isis Browning- Forgey died of TB and remained at home with her children until her death. None 
of her children caught TB from her. I found this about the famous literary family the Brontes: "[2]Anne 
and [3] Emily Bronte and other members of the [4]Bronte family of writers, poets and painters were struck 
by TB. Anne, their brother [5]Branwell, and Emily all died of it within 2 years of each other. [6] Charlotte 
Bronte's death in 1855 was stated at the time as having been due to TB, but there is some controversy over 
this today." It is possible the Forgeys contracted TB from one another. Their only brother James Reynolds 
Forgey died at age 44 of unknown causes. It appears that no one lived until the age of 50. 
A fifth daughter may have died of the same thing. Here are the dates for all the Forgey daughters (except 
Sally, I don't have any death info for her) 



1. Margaret Forgey (1794-1817) died age 23 (don't know her cause of death?) 

2. Mary Forgey (1796-1833) died age 37 of "Breast Complaint" 

3. Ellen Forgey (1798-1837) died age 39 of "Breast Complaint" 

4. Betsy Forgey (1805-1837) died age 32 of "Breast Complaint" 

5. Rachel Forgey (1812-1837) died age 25 of "Breast Complaint" 

6. Matilda Miller (1802-1839) died age 37 (don't have her cause of death?) 

Looking at the years of death I see 3 in 1837, which would point to a contagious disease, like TB. All who 
died of "Breast Complaint" died in the 1830's. It's difficult to say if they were diagnosed correctly? They 

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may have died of something hereditary, such as breast cancer; or, may have been TB after all? It's very 
troubling when you think about the short life expectancy of this family line. My own Forgey line tended to 
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Elinor Fisher and John Beaird. I suspected they had married in the late 1780's or early 1790's in Tennessee. 

I was surprised to find out that they had married in 1799 in Pulaski County, Ky. I had understood that at 

least one of their children, John Beaird Jr., was of age by 1809 when his father John Sr. died. 

My relationship to the Beaird family is through my ancestor Catherine Fisher who was the sister of John's 

wife Eleanor. Fve only found a couple of references to Catherine Fisher/Forgey in records. I've never been 

able to find anything giving her age. I found an estimated year of birth for her sister Eleanor of 1765. 

Another sister Mary Fisher/Steele was born 18 January 1758. 

John Beaird's family being more prominent he does appear in several local histories. I am hoping to find 

more info about my own family by following these collateral lines. 

The newest discovery of a marriage record for John and Eleanor does raise some questions. Was Eleanor 

John's first wife? I had suspected that John and Eleanor were neighbors of my ancestors' Hugh and Catherine 

in Knox County, Tennessee, but now it looks like they were not married when they lived in Tennessee. It 

does look like they may have had a common law marriage before the official marriage in 1799, because it is 

suspected that their daughter Harriet was born to them in Tennessee. 

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Knox County, TN property in 1797; when he was living in Lincoln County, KY. This was unexpected too. 

According to family tradition the family left Tennessee in 1801 for Randolph County, Illinois. The story 

also states the Fisher in-laws accompanied the Beairds in 1801? Did they really travel together or meet 

up later? Evidence does seem to point to a relationship between them in Tennessee. Maybe there was a 

common law marriage, and out of wedlock births? I've found references to John Beaird living in Wayne 

County Ky, Lincoln County, Ky, and Pulaski County, Ky. Apparently this is because the area he was living 

in was Lincoln County when his first settled there in 1797. This same area became Pulaski County, Ky in 

1798 , and in 1800 it became part of the newly formed Wayne County, KY. So lots of jurisdictional changes 

occurred in a short time. It does appear they left Kentucky for Illinois in 1801. I don't know whether the 

Fishers did the same? 

I was also a little confused about where the Beairds and Fishers settled in Illinois. It appears the Fishers 

settled in Randolph County, and the Beairds in neighboring St. Clair, Illinois. John Reynolds described 

the place the Beairds settled as 4 mile northeast of Kaskaskia, Illinois. The Fishers lived in the Ellis Grove 

area a few miles away. Now I am getting a better picture of where the families lived and when. It might be 

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Can you spot the problems? (2012-01-26 11:09) 

The following family group was compiled by a researcher who used the Scottish Church records at Family 
Search. The last child, Mary Fisher, does not appear in these records, but the researcher assumed she be- 
longed in this family anyway. 

Archibald Fisher b. 17 April 1734 in Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland. Father: Patrick Fisher b.1701 
married Isobel McDougal 
Children of Archibald and Isabel 

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1. Janet Fisher b. 16 July 1742 in Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland 

2. John Fisher b. 19 September 1746 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland 

3. Archibald Fisher b. 24 December 1749 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland 

4. Isabel Fisher b. 5 July 1751 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland 

5. Catharine Fisher b. 5 August 1754 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland 

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Archibald Fisher was born in 1734 and his first child was born in 1742. So he would have been 8 yrs. old 
when his first child was born? He probably married at 6 yrs. old. Not likely! 

A second problem is Janet and Mary were born 4 months apart. Not likely either! 

There were also two Janets, so apparently, the first one died. 

Archibald Fisher came to America in 1767; without his wife who probably died in Scotland? We have not 
located the name of his spouse on any records in this country. A Fisher researcher assumed that because 
Archibald had a daughter named Catherine she was the same one born to Archibald and Isabel in Scotland. 
There were several Archibald Fishers in Scotland at the time. To verify they found the correct one they 
should have looked at all the birth records for this couple. If they had they would have discovered these 
contradictory facts. The easiest way to find the other children born to this couple is by using the batch 
number along with a surname search. All of the records for the same Church were batched together (this 
same method is also helpful when searching any other record extractions in the IGI). 

The same researcher also states that Archibald's second wife was Nancy Agnes Firney ( seems close to 
Forgey?) I've seen this same info copied several times by different people. No one has any source for this. 
I have not found her in the IGI for Scotland either. It seems a little unusual that a person born that early 
would have a middle name? 

Someone else has an Ann McNaughton as his wife. This is another improbability. This particular family was 
still in Scotland in 1768, when a child appears in the Church records. I've seen about half a dozen different 
women recorded as Archibald wives. He may have actually been married about 3 times? 

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These are the verified children of Archibald Fisher (none of which appear in the IGI Scottish Church Records) 

1. Catherine Fisher b.? 

2. Mary Fisher b.1757 

3. John Fisher b.1762 

4. William Fisher b.1766 

5. Eleanor Fisher b.1765 

6. Nancy Fisher b.c.1767 

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they did not have direct evidence for. Sometimes these specualtions become more than that, and are later 
represented as fact by others. This often involves a misreading of notes left by previous researchers failing 
to notice qualifying statements, such as approximately or circa. I've been researching the Archibald Fisher 
family. As I search the internet I am finding the year 1767 as the year of their immigration to this county. 
This was copied from a book. Whoever copied it missed the fact that it actually says immigrated before 
1767. It's easy to miss that, but important to read through these entries in books etc. to make sure there are 
no qualifications. I had to go back to the book to verify what it said. I was getting confused and thinking 
maybe they did immigrate in 1767. Looking at some of the other records for Augusta County, VA it seems 
that a lawsuit involving Archibald Fisher and his wife Susanna Shaddon was filed in 1766. So it seems 
Archibald may have been in Augusta County in 1766? 

We do not know where his children were born and most may have been born in the US (speculation)? I am 
also speculating that it is possible that Catherine Fisher may be a daughter of Archibald and Susanna? I 

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base this on the fact that it's likely Catherine's husband, Hugh Forgey, was born in around 1766. We don't 
know how many times Archibald was married. According to a Randolph County History Archibald came 
from Scotland and first settled in South Carolina? 
Here is what we know for certain about Archibald Fisher. 



1. We know he married Susannah Shaddon sometime after November 1765 when she was 
appointed administratrix for her late husband ( it looks like Archibald and Susanna were 
married before 9 August 1766 when they filed a suit together?) 



2. We know he purchased land in Augusta County, VA on 5 March 1767 

3. Sells his land in Augusta County on 9 Dec 1777 

4. We know he was in Sullivan County, TN in 1777 when he signed Holston Men Petition. 



5. We know he received a patent for land in Sullivan County, TN (later part of Hawkins 
County) on 10 November 1784 



6. We know he sold his Hawkins County land on 27 May 1789 

7. We know he married Elizabeth Sharp on 11 December 1797 in Knox County, Tennessee 

8. He died 1 May 1805 in Ellis Grove, Randolph County, Illinois 

We alsoknow the names of his children because they are named in his will. 



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Publishing Your Family History or Making Your own Reference books (2012-01-31 10:27) 




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crosoft Word. I then saved it as a PDF, which is the format needed to produce a book at most publishing 
websites. Blurb requires you use a specific PDF format, PDF/X-3. 

It can be tricky when it comes to laying out your book correctly. You have to be sure that your fonts are 
embedded in your PDF; and you should not use unusual fonts. You should use commonly supported fonts. 
You need to follow instructions for margins carefully; otherwise, you may find some of your text is missing. 
The Amazon publisher (Create Space) and Blurb give you a list of problems which it detects on your PDF. 
I got a message stating my image resolution was too low so the pictures may not come out clear. Lulu does 
not provide these suggestions. 

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would be a great way to access them easily. Even if you just print your important source material and three 

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hole punch it and put it in a report cover it would be a very helpful resource. I've used binders in the past, 

but they are bulky and heavy, a light weight report cover is more compact too. I have quite a few documents 

etc. in digital format, but find I get tired of looking at the computer screen too long. I like a printed format 

sometimes. It can be quicker to access a book. 

I plan on ordering a copy of my book at LuLu. This is definitely an amateur production. I've never tried 

anything like this before. I haven't used any professional advisers for the layout; so I am not sure how it will 

come out? We'll see what the results are? I do plan on adding an index to the book and making additions 

this summer, so it's a work in progress. This copy is my test run: [4]http://blog2print. sharedbook.com/bl- 

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Here is my test copy atlnternet Archive: [5]http://www. archive.org/details/AndrewForgeyMargaret 

ReynoldsAScotsIrishFamilyInAmerical3112 

Since I am using this blog as a research log I plan on publishing it using Blog to Print. 

Some publishing websites 

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FT DNA BUSY? Or are they torturing us? (2012-02-01 12:25) 

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This is the message we received from FT DNA regarding why Craig 
Forgey's results were delayed 

Forget watering boarding When Craig returned his DNA test kit so 
promptly last November I thought we would get results by late December 
of early January. I was wrong, it's now February and passed the 
scheduled return date. As you can see in the message above the holiday 
sale was very successful; which is good because it gives us new 
samples to compare with. Although it doesn't make the wait for our 
results any easier. 

Another factor adding to this slow torture is the fact the results are 
now trickling in backward. Craig took the 67 marker test. We received 
the results for markers 61 to 67 on January 26. Today we received the 
results for markers 38 to 60. They have not posted any of the numbers 
for the completed tests? No matches either? I suppose they can't 
provide matches until the first markers are tested? We can't compare 
with the other Forgey/Forgys yet anyway, because the others have not 
tested passed the first 37 markers. 

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We have generally received results for our earlier tests well before 
the projected return dates. This has been an unusual situation. 
It kind of reminds me of when Illinois was offering free death 
certificates a few years ago lol (actually it was in 2002) . They were 
deluged with requests, and quickly stopped the program. I remember 
calling to ask why it was taking so long to get one lol. I was told 
there was some kind of AWFUL genealogy fad going on, and they were 
swamped with requests. I eventually received two different copies for 
one ancestor free :). Since an inquest was held there were two 
different copies. So it was worth the wait. 
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WDYTYA Premiere Problems (2012-02-04 13:05) 

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Awkward? That's the word that comes to mind when I think about this episode. Martin's ancestors were 
involved in some very interesting historical events, and I think it all could have been presented in a more 
interesting way with better transitions. We moved from 1920's Ireland, to 1940's Spain, and then quickly 
back to the 1700's. All of this wasn't woven together very well. 

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I also had difficulty understanding which sides the in the Civil Wars his uncles fought on? I was a history 
major in college, and I am familiar with these Civil Wars so I did finally catch on ( my great-grandparents 
lived in Ireland during the Civil War). 

Now that I've seen most of the British series episodes I have a framework to compare with. The original is 
the best model to follow; which the American show doesn't always do well. Their formula consists of rich, 
interesting historical detail presented in an understandable way. They use great location shots of ancestral 
locations. Research library and archive footage are nearly always shown, and are fun segments. It's fun to 
watch individuals do their own research, and make interesting discoveries on their own. This adds excite- 
ment to the shows, and makes genealogy look like an adventure. I thought last night's show fell flat as far 
as showing the excitement of the research chase. Martin did very little of the research on his own. 
Not enough cliff hangers, and just plain not enough substance to build a show around last night. They could 
have brought in more ancestors and more pictures. They could have visited family churches, and cemeteries. 
The church where his earliest ancestor was buried would have been interesting. More excitement, and just 
plain more of everything would have been better! 

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Heather Rojo (2012-02-04 16:01:14) 

I agree with you, the show was pretty boring except for the last fifteen minutes when the genealogist explained his 

"Don Juan" ancestor, and the surprise ending. The whole show could have had a better build up interwoven with this 

ending. 

Annette (2012-02-04 16:54:51) 

Thanks Heather! Yes, the best episodes build suspense, and you can't stop watching until the mystery is solved. 

Hopefully, the next show will be suspenseful like that :). 



What I learned from RootsTech 2012 (2012-02-05 12:30) 

IFRAME: [l]http://www.youtube.com/embed/wXB0NgHd9uw 

I've spent many hours the past few days listening to the streaming sessions at Rootstech . I did the same last 
year. I've learned many new interesting things this year. You would think after spending many hours reading 
about genealogy, attending webinars, etc., there would be nothing new to learn. There are so many facets 
to the field of genealogy that there are endless new things to learn! The field of genealogy and technology 
is always changing, and will always change, so it's important to keep up to date on the changes, and new 
records available online. As Lisa Louise Cooke said in her Genealogy Poscasts session continuing education 
using podcasts, blogs, etc., is essential. 

It's hard to pick a favorite session. They were all GREAT! Ron Tanner's session about the Family Search 
Tree was excellent, and really got me stoked up! At the end of it I felt like let's not stop with correcting 
Family Trees at Family Search. Let's get millions of people to correct EVERYTHING on the internet! A little 
too ambitious probably lol? So what about doing the same thing with the trees at Ancestry and Rootsweb? 
I have been correcting some the mistakes on my own Gedcom which is a modest step forward when it comes 
to cleaning out the rotten genealogy Fridge. 

Something I was thinking I would like to see on the internet is a central location where family bible pages 
can be shared. Something like find-a-grave for bibles would be great! 

What I've learned 

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• I learned what Metes and bounds mean, finally lol!! "Typically the system uses physical features of 
the local geography" Wikipedia. I learned about mapping software for this too. Now I can attempt to 
map out my ancestors land. 

• Do I trust the cloud? Session inspired me to actually start using drop box; which is now 19 % full for 
my free account! 

• The One Note demonstration during the Idol competition encouraged me to take a look at that. 

• Web searching is tricky . Try many search sites. I've had problems in the past when I've gone back to 
find something and it did not come back up in the search. I've also used the same phrases for years and 
get different results sometimes. I've found things that have been on the net for years but just came up 
in the search recently? So it's important to repeat searches often. 

• Only 5 % of web genealogy content is indexed. 

• First 5 results in search are the most often clicked on. 

• Large number of broken links a problem 

• New GedcomX, to include links to other source material. 

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image above). You can click on black white color images only or just faces. Try google news again! 
It's not going away completely; new content is not being added now. Can save free google books as 
pdf or other formats to read later. Watch Google Genealogists videos for more tips. You can save 
and annotate maps using Google maps. There is a screen capture chrome extension. 

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• DNA 100 errors in 6 billion genes. 

• Computational genealogists work out interpretations of results. 

• DNA integrated into records in future. 

• Need to crack handwriting recognition to make these kinds of docs available for search. 

• 12 percent of people using mobile devices at ancestry.com site (I was thinking how expensive accessing 
the web is this way, at least for me) 

New Family Search Tree 

• You will be able to contribute to it and make corrections. 

• You will be able to add source images. 

• You will be able to remove old Gedcoms. Like Ron Tanner said you could not remove bad info in the 
past. I remember when I found errors in some of my earlier submissions I had to submit a new gedcom 
to correct it, and the bad info was also still there. Can't wait until I can remove my bad info! 

Maybe next year they could get Leo Leporte out there! Would love to hear him speak there! [4]http://twit.tv/ 

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Hi Annette 

Very good summary! 

I watched everything I could, and I agree with you and your summary. 

Hopefully, next year will be even better. 

I use DropBox, and final it very useful. 

Suggest Leo Leporte to RootsTech. I would be interested in his take on the whole thing. 

Elizabeth 

Annette (2012-02-06 09:15:30) 

Thanks for the nice comment Elizabeth! I will try to contact them. I would love to hear Leo speak too. He gives 

great presentations! 



General Hospital (County USC) and a Breakthrough (2012-02-07 12:36) 

IFRAME: [l]http://www.youtube.com/embed/vs-yTgHlSmY 

I was so happy to have finally caught Huell Howser's California's Gold program about the now closed County 
General USC Hospital. It was so interesting, and moving because some of my family members had been 
treated there. My mother was in there about the time it was first built (1933). An uncle was patient there 
in the 1950's with a ruptured appendix. My father always talked about how his brother was put in a bed in 

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a hallway because the hospital was so full, and there were no rooms. My family was appreciative of getting 
care there during hard times, even though it could be a harrowing experience. It was certainly better than 
nothing. 

I wish the entire episode were posted on the internet; it was so interesting. The spookiest thing they showed 
was the room where families identified dead bodies. It was a cold room with curtains which would be opened 
for viewing. The body would be on a stretcher behind glass which reminded me of the nursery for babies. 
They showed the old operating theater. They also showed the ward rooms which contained 4 to 6 Beds per 
room. One of the nurses said there was one shower for the 20 patients. One TV per room, and one bathroom 
per room. Sometimes only one nurse for 12 patients. It was interesting to see the therapy pool from the 
1930's. They showed the prison ward. The hospital had no air conditioning in the early days and patients 
often had to be put on IV's during the summer because they got dehydrated. 

I've been looking for old pictures of the interior of the hospital and wards. I have not found many on- 
line [2]http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search/controller/simplesearch. htm?page=l &x=1328565589006, but 
did find this site with some pictures of the 1933 hospital; and the previous one. 

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My Great-Grand Father Frank Kappel died in Cook County Hosp. 



On the subject of County, Charity Hospital's, couple of my Chicago, Illinois ancestors died at Cook County 
Hospital in the early 1900's. These ancestors were mostly hard working immigrant factory workers, who 
couldn't afford to go anywhere except a charity hospital. I thought General Hospital was large with 1,600 
beds. Cook County had 4000 beds! 

Most of my rural ancestors never went to a hospital in early times through the early twentieth century. Even 
my urban ancestors rarely went to a hospital to give birth. It wasn't until the 1930s that babies were more 
often delivered in hospitals. My father was born in Chicago Memorial Hospital in 1933. One exception was 
my Great-Grandmother Helen Mullen- Mason who gave birth to a baby at Hahnemann Hospital in Chicago, 
IL in 1906. When I ordered this birth certificate I was surprised by this. I talked to an Aunt, who was 
a nurse, and she thought there were likely some kind of complications with the birth that's why she was 
hospitalized. This sounded correct because the the baby girl born at 4 am apparently died. 

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After receiving that birth certificate for Helen and Fred Mason's, baby about 12 year ago, I immediately tried 

to find anything about that hospital on the internet. I couldn't find anything about Hahnemann Hospital at 

the time. When I began searching for hospital info after Huell's show I remembered my brickwall regarding 

that hospital. I found the certificate today and started searching again, and I was so happy to find info about 

it! 

It was a Homeopathic University Hospital. They believed in minimal intervention, and minimal drug use for 

treatment. This may not have been a good approach since my Great Grandmother's baby died? So glad to 

find a picture of this interesting building! I will have to read more about this hospital. 

Glad again that I saw Huell's show! His show ended up in front of the new USC Hospital which looks really 

nice! I am glad they are not tearing down the old one. It is an important Los Angeles Landmark. Whenever 

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was not available yet? I decided to check to see if I could find extensions for genealogy. I did find a couple, 
but only one seemed to be useful for me. I don't know whether this one was mentioned at RootsTech? The 
one I added allows you to search the Family Search site from your Ancestry.com Tree. This is what the 
description says: 

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"This extension takes the vital information from an Ancestry Family Tree person page and searches Family- 
Search. org using those details. (An Ancestry subscription is required to view other people's Ancestry Family 
Trees.)" 

You can narrow your search by event, parents, and spouse. It would be even more helpful if you could narrow 
further by date. Otherwise it works well and can be time saving. 

To get it just click the wrench in the top right corner go to tools, then extensions or this link 
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bar near the star. Just click the tree to get your results. 

I also got the extension for the screen capture that I heard about at RootsTech. I am just learning how to 
use it. I generally use my Windows 7 snipping tool, but it doesn't let you copy anything that isn't displayed, 
i.e you can't scroll down. I generally use FS Capture to copy entire pages. I will see if Google Screen capture 
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NealMcB (2012-02-20 20:59:27) 

Thanks for trying to find the extension. Dave Barney's google+ post on it 
(https://plus.google.com/113821919086507940002/posts) 

confirms (in the comments) that it isn't available yet, and points out the blog where it will be an- 
nounced ( http://historical-data-schema.blogspot.com/) , and the tool for testing your snippets in the meantime: 
http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets 

Annette (2012-02-21 11:00:21) 

Thank you very much for the info Neal! I really appreciate it! Can't wait until it's available. Can't wait to try it out! 



Received Knox County, TN Deeds Indexes (2012-02-10 12:40) 



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[2] I Technology is such a wonderful thing! I emailed the 

Knox County, TN archives asking for copies of deed index pages for Archibald Fisher and I received them 
yesterday. Technology sure helps when you live on the west coast and you are researching east coast ances- 
tors. I received 5 pages for Archibald Fisher which included the General Index to Deeds and WPA Indexes. 
I had not known before that Archibald's land was located on White's Creek in Grassy Valley. This helps 
pinpoint the land location. I wondered about the sale of his land. I believed that he and his family migrated 
to Kentucky about 1797, which is not the case. It seems his son-in-law was a resident of Lincoln County, 
KY in May of 1797 when he sold his Knox County, TN property. Archibald Fisher purchased 10 acres in 
June of 1797 so he had not traveled with John Beaird but joined him later. I had read that Archibald sold 
his property in 1804. He died May 1, 1805 in Randolph County, IL. I found out he sold his land through 
an agent 12 November 1804. I don't know if he had plans to return? Strange he didn't sell when he left. It 
was 210 acres on Whites Creek so I know it's the same land he purchased from John Adair in 1794 (actually 
he purchased 200 acres from John Adair and 10 acres from Thomas Cox on 10 June 1797). I am ordering a 
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Flat Creek. Fve only been able to find sale deeds. This has stumped me for years. Why no purchase deeds? 
According to earlier researchers Hugh's land was part of James Forgey's 500 acre land grant. Andrew and 
Alexander split the 500 acres so I know that isn't true. I am ordering copies of the pages for Hugh in the 
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Callahan were the same people in my early research. This was one of my first discoveries when I first started 
researching. I had no idea Polly was a nickname for Mary before. When I found out that Richard Browning's 
wife's name was Mary Callahan I immediately searched for her with her parents in 1850 ( my source was 
my Great-Grandmother Isis Browning/Forgey's Death Certificate). I found a Callahan family right next to 
Richard and his first wife on the 1850 Census for Jackson County, Indiana. That Callahan family did have 
a daughter in her age range but her name was Polly? Lucky I was reading a Genealogy how-to book at 
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December 11, 2012. My Yahoo mail is filled to over flowing. I've changed my WikiTree email to my gmail 
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in Indiana. Dennis was not commonly used either; both being associated with Irish Catholics who didn't 
migrate in great numbers until the potato famine. Jesse had a son named Dennis as recorded in the 1850 
Census. In 1813 a Dennis Callahan appears on a Harrison County, Indiana Tax List. He disappears after 
that. There is also a Dennis Callahan on the 1810 Census for Mercer County, Kentucky with sons. Dennis 
also appears on Tax Lists for Mercer County, KY from 1797 to 1811. On the 1811 Census there are two 
Dennis Callahans one Senior and one Junior. One of these is likely the same person who shows up later in 
nearby Harrison County, Indiana because I don't see a Dennis in later records in Kentucky. 



• According to the Censuses Jesse Callahan was born in 1795 in Kentucky 



According to his wife Eve's widow's pension they were married in 1814 by Abner Martin in Washington 
County, Indiana ( making them my earliest Indiana settlers) 



Jesse was a veteran of the War of 1812 



My WikiTree contact has done extensive research on the Callahan family. A Callahan cousin of his took a 
Y 67 marker DNA. He came up with some facts which I missed. 



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Callahan and Margaret Bowler in Mercer County, KY He found a Polly Callahan born 1792 buried 
in Mercer County, KY in 1865. She was a member of the Shaker Community and likely never married 
since the Shakers practice celibacy. The Shaker records were microfilmed by the LDS and may contain 
important info about her family? A third important discovery was made using DNA. His cousin took 
a 67 marker Y test which produced a match with another Callahan who took the 25 marker test and 
is a descendant of Dennis Callahan who was born 1790 and lived in Brown County, Ohio. They were 
a 23 out of 25 marker match. He had a son Jesse the same name as my ancestor. Sounds like it could 
be Dennis Callahan Junior? Another discovery he made were two Dennis Callahans who served in 
the War of 1812 



I do hope I am related to Polly Callahan the Shaker. I own some Shaker style chairs and love their hymn 
Simple Gifts. I remember reading Charles Dickens impression of them which was basically "Grim". They 
were inventive, industrious people with a simple style when it came to design. Probably didn't appeal to the 
Victorian tastes of most people during that era. I do hope that the Shaker records contain Callahan family 
info. I also plan on looking more at Dennis Callahan of Brown County, and the Dennises who served in the 
War of 1812. 

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Log Cabins and Log Houses (2012-02-20 11:15) 




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This being Presidents' Day I got to thinking about the much discussed Log Cabin birth. This humble birth- 
place was a campaign cliche which identified a candidate as an average American. This birthplace became a 
source of pride. My grandfather Charles Lynn Forgey was said to have been born in a Log House in Jackson 
County, Indiana in 1898. He could have used this to garner votes if he ever ran for office. 
Log structures were the most familiar ones for my early ancestors in American. In the Midwest and South 
logs were the most popular building material. The pioneer settlers of the midwest and Southern States, such 
as Tennessee, found plenty of trees which could be used for building. It surprised me that the Scots-Irish 
had no tradition of building with logs. However, they quickly adopted this type of construction which was 
so well suited to the area. Early churches, school houses, and courthouses were often log structures. The 
initial log cabins of the pioneers were generally just temporary. Once they got established they would build 
a log house which was built to be permanent and larger than a log cabin. A log house was also given a more 
finished look with planed logs, which may have been finished with siding. 



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County, Tennessee; near where my Forgey ancestors lived (see picture above). The Gibbs family was a 
wealthy prominent family. An archaeological dig took place at the site of their homestead. The two plate 
fragments to the right were unearthed during this dig. They are examples of Pearl Ware which was an 
early technique for making ceramics more affordable. A bluing was added to the glaze giving this pottery 
a white luster which looked like the more expensive porcelain. These examples probably date to the early 
19th century. When the house was renovated newspapers from 1850 were found covering the logs inside the 
house. It was common to cover the walls with newspaper and then put wallpaper over that. 

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Nancy Forgey's family lived near the Gibb's family in Knox County, TN. Her husband Samuel Crawford 
built a two story log house on their Grassy Valley property, which stood and was used by the family into the 

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twentieth century. 

The name Abraham Lincoln and the Log Cabin are synonymous. My Mason and Owens family lived in Coles 

County, Illinois which was where Abraham Lincoln helped build a Log Cabin for his father and stepmother, 

and he practiced Law in that area. He worked as a lawyer for the Illinois Central Railroad where my ancestor 

Peter Mason also worked. My family living in the area did pass down stories regarding seeing Mr. Lincoln 

in the area. 

All of my early American ancestors got their start in these rustic humble homes. Sadly few examples of these 

houses still stand, and hopefully these will be preserved for future generations. 

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My intro to New Family Search Tree: From Sublime to Ridiculous (2012-02-23 19:07) 



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I emailed Ron Tanner asking to become a part of the Beta Test for the New Family Search Family Tree. 
I just received an invitation today. I had to wait around today for a water heater repair person so was 
able to get started on my Tree right away. I was a little confused about how it all worked but soon was 
rocking'n rolling. First I had to sign into the New Family Search which I was able to do with my Family 
Search Password. I then clicked the Me and My Ancestors Tab. From there I needed to add myself and 
living relatives until I could get to the point where I could link with an existing tree. You are given options 
regarding which individuals to link with. For instance I submitted two trees with my father's name. One of 
those trees was actually just my mother's line so I didn't provided much info about my father. I was given 
both of my submissions to choose from. 



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Like I said, it took me a little while to get with the program. I guess I was thinking the Tree I was looking 
at was mine alone. No it isn't; it's a collaborative tree. I thought I was looking for my own tree submissions 
intact. No you won't find your own separate submissions laid out that way. Instead my tree has been merged 
and re-merged with everyone else's; in some cases creating a confused jumble. I found several cases of siblings 
listed as someones children etc.. It's really a tangled mess in some of my lines. I don't have the power yet to 
make the necessary changes. Since I am not LDS I can make only limited changes. I don't seem to be able 
to delete people such as wrongly attached children or spouses. It's a little frustrating to see all the errors 
and not be able to correct them. 



[3] [map+from+f amily+search. JPG] 

Yes my Grandfather traveled from Indiana to Nicaragua then 

California 



I am happy that I was able to make some corrections. One problem I am noticing is that one of my corrections 
has already be changed back. I have documentation proving my correction is correct. If my corrections are 
changed I will continue to re-correct them indefinitely until the other person gives up LOL. I've decided to 
check the tree daily and re-change any changes. I will also add my sources and some notes about why I 
believe my conclusions are correct. 

I can see some uninformed people have made some of the wrong connections, but I am not sure that accounts 
for every error? It's possible some things got jumbled up due to bugs in the new system? 



[4] [merging.JPG] 
Merging Screen 



I found the Family Tree set up to be intuitive; and easy to learn to use. It's set up very much like all other 
genealogy software. It's a stripped down version of these programs with only basic functions for viewing 
individuals and families. Matching and merging is the MOST important feature which is fairly easy to use. 
Although I thought some of the wording was a little confusing. There is a screen showing all merges for an 
individual and who did the merging. The map feature is fun. It's interesting to see my grandfather's moves 
mapped out like that. At this point it doesn't look like you can add sources for events? You can add sources 
for an individual from a limited list of catagories. 

I would say that maybe 80 percent of the info I've seen looks good. I even found a lead I need to look into. 
According to someone Margaret Caldwell wife of James Forgey was born in Dromara Co. Down Ireland? 
I've just scratched the surface today. I will see if I can come up with anymore leads and maybe useful 
collaborations? I like the New Family Search Tree and will like it even more when I can make more changes. 

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MHD (2012-02-26 22:11:45) 

Great, Annette! I'm looking forward to hearing how the Tree progresses... I hope the current restrictions on changes 

are relaxed soon. I think I'm going to wait a while before I try to jump in. Hope to see you soon! 

Annette (2012-02-27 11:31:43) 

Thanks Marie! Nice hearing from you :)! Yes, it might be wise to wait. Many changes seem to be in the works before 
it's open to everyone. Hopefully making changes will be less time consuming and more straight forward. Making 
changes is complicated now. Hope to see you soon too :)! 

Stewart (2012-03-03 13:47:48) 

You're looking at "new FamilySearch" not "Family Tree" . . . Ron Tanner's presentation at RootsTech was all about 

"Family Tree" overcoming the faults of "new FamilySearch". 

"Family Tree" is entered from the regular www.familysearch.org site after you have signed-in . . . via the "Family 

Tree" (top line) menu option. 

Happy hunting! 

Annette (2012-03-03 19:05:02) 

Actually they are both the same. You make changes to that very same tree at New Family Search. You see the same 
tree both places but you can only make changes to it at New Family Search. That's the same thing Ron Tanner was 
talking about. When you go into the New Family search you can combine duplicates you find in this shared tree. 



Separating the Wrong Records, New FamilySearch Tree (2012-02-26 13:46) 

Here are some of my thoughts after 4 days working with the [l]New Familysearch Tree. The tree I found 
for my family contained several wrong ancestors. My immediate reaction was to try to remove these people. 
I should have looked at the how-to videos located in the Help Center section. Instead I began changing 
names, which is the wrong way to fix the problem. You must unlink the person from the tree because this is 
a shared tree, and each person has a fixed person ID and is linked to other trees. So you will anger a lot of 

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people if you change a name. Luckily I discovered my error quickly and was easily able to change everything 
back and delete my changes. Since all changes remain linked to the individual you are able to easily change 
back to the previous info if you make the wrong change. If you submitted wrong info you can delete it all 
together. 

[2] [combining.JPG] 

Screen for Separating Records 



The correct way to remove wrongly attached individuals from your tree is to go to the detail screen for the 
son of daughter of the wrong person. Then click on combined records link under the person's info. At the 
combined records screen check mark each record with the wrong parents for separation. This is more advice 
from Familysearch; "If the combined record contains 3 or more individuals, separate all of the records for 
one individual. Then repeat the process for the next individual." There can be many wrong records so it's 
best to check mark view 100 records at a time. Once you selected the records to remove then click separate 
then click confirm, which should remove the person. 

[3] [most+often+mistake. JPG] 

This James Forgey and Margaret mistaken match is found 

everywhere in my tree cannot fix this 



I am finding sometimes you cannot fix records which might contain a wrong spouse, children etc.. It's likely 
because the originally submission made years ago was wrong. Only the person who made the submission 
can change it. I was under the impression that anyone could make changes? So at this time you can 
unlink records, but cannot change all relationships. This means that earlier wrong family connections can 
be uncombined and then may be recombined by someone thinking they are being helpful. If you click on the 
watch link you will be notified when any change is made to an individual record. I've put in a many hours 
separating records and will keep checking for changes. 

I like the idea of working with others and discussing conclusions on a shared tree. We can make more progress 
this way as opposed to working alone. Eventually we will be able to add document images which will make 
this and even more powerful resource. 

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Using the 1940 Census to Build an Interesting Family History (2012-02-29 22:25) 

IFRAME: [l]http://www.youtube.com/embed/aYHjXVDkrOY 

All of the excitement around the April release of the [2] 1940 Census has gotten me planning my and pre- 
researching to get a head start. What I am hoping the [3] 1940 Census will do for me is add some additional 
color to my existing family history (actually I think there was a question about hair coloring on that census?). 
I hope to find out more about the living conditions of my family in 1940. I can use the addresses to do google 
street view searches to see whether their homes still stand today. I also hope to get additional names of 

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children born to great-aunts and uncles after the 1930 Census for my Kapple/Kappel family. My Kapple 
grandparents divorced. My grandfather Rudolph remained in Chicago while my Granmother Dorothy Kap- 
ple relocatd with her children to Los Angeles, California. So the Kapples in California lost touch with their 
many Aunts, Uncles, and Cousins in Chicago. I have no pictures of the family in Chicago. I have only one 
faded picture of my Grandfather Rudolph. I would love to see more family pictures and hope that the 1940 
might lead me to more living relatives. 



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[5] A much talked about relative of my Nicaraguan 

grandmother Graciela Del Castillo-Forgey is also a target of my 1940 research. His name was Francisco 
Antonio Alvarado Granzio. My grandmother nicknamed him Padrino meaning Godfather. Another of his 
nicknames was Pancho. He was born in Granada, Nicaragua in 1876. I've heard so many stories about. 
I've not been able to confirm them until a few days ago. I had been told he was a Diplomat and had met 
with FDR. I thought that was wonderful, and wanted to find out more. I've been searching off and on using 
Google search for years. Nothing was coming up about him. He had a Los Angeles home so I tried finding 
him on existing Censuses. I did seem to find him in 1920 but he was not listed as a Diplomat, instead, he 
was in the import/export business. I could not find him in 1930. Thinking about 1940 Census brought him 
to mind again. I decided to use my new access to New FamilySearch Tree to search him out there. I found 
something interesting that looked like him and contained his additional last name, which I did not know 
before i.e. Granzio. I immediately started searching using that name and found more information about 
him! I had not searched Ancestry for him in a long time. When I searched there this time I got a flood of 
matches for him. 

The passenger lists at Ancestry are helping me to build a timeline for Francisco Alvarado. His occupation is 
given as Consul for Nicaragua in France in many of these records. They also confirm his residence in France 
as Nice, which I had been told. I even got his address 4 Rue La Martine. 



[6] [Nice+france+address. JPG] 

This is where Franciso Alvarado lived in Nice 



My family relayed many anecdotal stories about visiting "Padrino" at his Los Angeles home. He had a live 
in girl friend named Germaine who he met in Nice. She was always very well dressed as my mother has told 
me. She had a little lap dog which she was very fond of , and had a very fancy pillow for it which my mother 
remembers. My mother also remembered going to dinner at Padrino's house, and the fact he always served 
wine with dinner. She also remembered he enjoyed gardening. He attended one of the World's Fairs and 
brought back souvineers for the Forgey Children. He also brought back a Palm Tree from Nicaragua for my 
Grandparents Yard, which grew much taller than anyone expected!! He gave a trunk he traveled with to my 

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family, which had stickers on it for all the locations he traveled to which included Asia. 
He loved my Grandmother's Arroz con Polio and insisted she prepare it for him when he was in town. She 
kidded him about being bald. She would say he used his brain too much which caused his hair to fall out. 
I would love to learn more about "Padrino" his relationship to our family etc. ... I am hoping to add more 
to my collection of information about him with the [7] 1940 Census. I am excited and hopeful he will be in 
it. I will eventually make a memorial page for him at Fold3. I consider him Mi Padrino tambien! 

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2.3 March 

How would you interpret these DNA results? (2012-03-03 14:15) 

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Let's take a look at the final results in our first round of our Forgey DNA testing. I highlighted some of the 
differences. I focused on differences which were shared. There was mutations in both of Samuel's descen- 
dants' lines which separates each of their lines, and are not shared by the others. 

This is my impression of the results if anyone else has a different take or is able to draw any other conclusions 
please let me know? 



1. The Maury County, TN Andrew Forgey (died 1820 see image above) line had a unique mutation on 
DYS-442 which is 13 and everyone else is 12. If someone in the Alexander Forgey line tested and shared 
the same DYS-442 mutation 13 that would be very helpful! 

2. My uncle's line which goes back to Andrew Forgey and Anna Roller had a unique mutation on DYS-438 
which is 11 and everyone else is 10. 

3. DYS-576 is the most confusing. We've got 3 of the 5 with the result 20? Two got the result 19? So 
was the earliest common ancestor 19 or 20? You would think that both of Samuel's descendants would 
match but they don't. We've got one of Samuel's lines matching the Maury County Andrew. The 
other matching the Hawkins County Andrew. 

4. All of the Forgeys matched the William Forgie line of Co. Down to some degree. I am guessing that is 
where all of the common lines originated? We need someone from the Hugh Forgey line of Co. Antrim 
to test. That line is confirmed to be from Co. Antrim. Would like to know if they are related? 

5. A Forgy line in Pennsylvania did not match. I am curious as to whether that was a non paternal event? 
We still don't know whether everyone carrying the name is related? 

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6. The testing has proven that all of the Forgeys above share a common ancestor at some point. My 
Uncle Charles Forgey and Roger Forgey seem to be the most closely related with a mismatch of only 
one. 

Hopefully we can get more Forgeys to test. It seems like a few people have looked at my postings at the 
Forgey message boards regarding testing. If we can get more testers to compare with we might be able to 
determine when the mutations occurred which might tell us at what point we are all related? 

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Was an Ancestor Presidente de Nicaragua? (2012-03-10 14:34) 

[1] [mother+and+grandmother . JPG] 
My Mother Edna Forgey/Kapple and Grandmother Graciela Del Castillo/ 

Forgey in Nicargua 




[2] I Ever since I found information on a short term President of Nicaragua 

I wondered if I was related? His name was Nicasio Del Castillo and he was President for an entire month 13 
Aug 1856 - 12 Sep 1856 . My great-grandfather was also named Nicasio Del Castillo. According to Enrique 
Mejia, who had studied Nicaraguan History for his own family research, the del Castillo family had been one 
of the most important families during the colonial era. He also said a that a Juan Arguello Del Castillo was 
Vice President at one time. I had found that a number of Del Castillo's served on the Nicaraguan Supreme 
Court. My mother thought that her grandfather may have been a lawyer? 




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[3] At this point I have not been able to trace my family very far back in 

Nicaragua. The only clues I have about my family there is from my Grandmother's death certificate. It gives 
the names of her parents as Nicascio Del Castillo and Elena Garcia. Unfortunately only the Civil records 
for Managua, Nicaragua have been filmed by the LDS Church and are now available online. I've written 
to the Church in Granada where my mother was baptized for additional family info but it sounds like my 
great-grandparents were not members of that Church. I was informed that the name Forgey was not a local 

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name. No, actually my grandfather was a US Marine stationed in Nicaragua and Scots-Irish and German. 
My Forgey family really stands out in the records there! 



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Registration Records but never received any kind of response. My new strategy is to contact the Nicaraguan 
Consulate in Los Angeles; and I've also found contact info for the Family History Center in Granada, 
Nicaragua. I will continue to keep trying to get someone's attention. Hopefully the Granada records will be 
microfilmed eventually? I just discovered that Managua Church records are now online at [5] Family Search. 
I will being doing research there for the next few days, probably more than that (it's not indexed). 



The Best Source 

for Nicaraguan research are these Civil Registration Documents: [6]https://www. familysearch.org/- 
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As you can see above I had Rachel listed as unknown. NO MORE. Nan Harvey has been working to break- 
down a brickwall in her own Tyree line and discovered a court record with Rachel's maiden name. She found 
this document (see image right). She found it here [2] Chancery Court Records for Scott County, VA. I have 
looked at this collection several times but didn't run across this. It doesn't seem to be indexed for every 
name? I could not find it looking for Forgey? You have to be very cautious indeed when using indexes, 
Never assume someone isn't in a record collection just because they are not on the index! 

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Jarne A. Forgey Slander Case 1837 Jackson County, Indiana 



I went back and looked at the info I gathered on James A. Forgey and Rachel Tyree's family. I had not been 
able to find too much about them. I know they migrated to Jackson County, Indiana after the 1830 Census ( 
from Scott County, VA). I also found a slander court Case filed in 1837 between Jesse Hubbard and James A. 
Forgey in Jackson County IN. I couldn't find any more details regarding the case in the microfilm I ordered. 

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The Family also live in Bartholomew and Jennings County, IN. James Forgey's name was listed as Hugh J. 
A. Forgey on a Census and may have been his full name? The family did have a bible with some family 
dates in it. According to their family tradition two brothers came to America from Ireland and settled in 
Virginia; which sounds like Alexander and Andrew, who did live in Virginia briefly?. I couldn't find James 
or Rachel's place of burial either? Sadly, one of their descendants was put to death in the Electric Chair in 
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years ago asking for more info about the family. I've been trying to locate their email address. I have not 
been able to locate it so far. I've been having all my emails routed to Gmail from other email boxes. Some 
of my emails have been lost in the rerouting. I've printed out a stack of emails about two inches thick 
and filed them. Sadly that one is not one of them. I have paper everywhere so I may have printed it and 
missed filed it? I need a log outside my email boxes to keep addresses so they don't get lost if something 
goes wrong with my email box. I found this form [5]http://www. cs.williams.edu/ bailey/genealogy /index 
_files/CorrespondenceRecordSheet.pdf . Sorry I can't contact this person with the good news. I'll do some 
filing this weekend and I may find a copy of the email? 



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Nan (2012-03-16 07:17:21) 

Hint on searching the chancery court records - you can use the "Starts with" option for a surname. I was actually 
searching for Forgey instead of Tyree when I did this search and put in starts with "forg". This was filed under 
FORGY. And I'm finding more and more TIREY instead of TYREE for my Tyree line. 



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Happy St. Patrick's Sister Mary Kathleen! (2012-03-16 21:06) 




[1] 

Happy St. Patrick's Day! My Great-Great Aunt Sister Mary Kathleen (Bridget Mullen) was a Roman 
Catholic Nun. Her life story is very inspiring. Born in the Townland of Pollaturick Co. Galway, Ireland in 
1888 she migrated to Chicago Illinois around the turn of the twentieth century. Firmly committed to her 
calling as a Nun she she talked a resistant church official into allowing her to join inspite of apprehensions 
about her age. I guess they thought 23 was told old to join that order? She worked at various Catholic 
Boarding Schools during her long career with the Church. She lived to a very old age, dying at the age of 
103!! She received a letter from the Pope when she turned 100. 

The first mention of the maiden name of my Great- Grandmother Ellen (Helen) Mullen-Mason's mother was 
in an unexpected place, her sister's eulogy. I had never heard of the name before and thought it didn't 
sound Irish. I thought maybe someone got the name wrong? I did some research and found it is indeed 
Irish. It's a variant of the surname Hoban common around Irish Town Co. Mayo, Ireland. Here is a link 
to my website with more info about the surname [2]http://freepages. genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ huv 
ane /hu vaneO .html . 

Funeral Reflection 

Sister Mary Kathleen Mullen 

October 17, 1991 

"For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face, now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, 
even as I have been fully understood." 

"For 103 years Sister Mary Kathleen Mullen searched the reflection in the mirror and added to the vast store 
of knowledge her years had accumulated. Today we celebrate because at last that dim reflection is fully 
revealed and her knowledge is complete. 

Mary Kathleen Mullen was born in County Galway, Ireland on February 1, 1888, just two months after Mary 
Frances Clarke died. The BVMs motherhouse was still St. Joseph's on the Prairie and Mt. Carmel was only 
a dream. 

The year Kathleen was born there were only 440 sisters in the Congregation. They did their reading and 
sewing by kerosene lamps, they pumped their water from the well, and they traveled by horse and buggy. 

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Kathleen's parents Mary Huvane and Patrick Mullen baptized her Bridget, and Bridget's crossing from 
Ireland to the United States was very similar to that of Mary Frances Clarke's and the early founders. Bridget 
entered the BVMs on March 19, 1911 from St. Ita's Parish, Chicago and received the name Kathleen." 

PRAYERS FOR THE FAITHFUL 

"For Kathleen's parents, Patrick and Mary Huvane; her brothers and sisters Ellen, Michael, Thomas and 
Winnifred; her nieces and nephews who preceded her in death, that they all be reunited." 



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John R. Moss and Nancy Forgey Civil War Letter (2012-03-30 15:52) 

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John R. Moss and Nancy Forgey 



Lick Creek Tennessee April 1, 1862 
"Dear Wife, 

As you will not write to me I have concluded that I will write to you a gain, hoping whenever this reaches 
you it may find you well for I would be very sorry to no that you was unwell or dissastisfied in any way 
whatever. I want you to content your self as best you can and not bee uneasy about me as I take the best 
care of my self That I can and live till I die I unless I get killed. I want you to write to me immediately if 
you have not all ready written and if you have write again. I want you to write at least once a week and I 
will do the same you nead not bee uneasy about me drinking as their is no whiskey up here that is fit to for 
a hog to drink. 

I am well and getting fit on Bull Beef and Biscuit. I thought I would give you a specimen of the house I 
intend building when I come home you must have it framed and a glass put over it and keep it untill I return. 
If you or any of the you family should get dangerously sick you must write to me no. I can get a fur low under 
them circumstances. I ? you must give me all the news and let me no how you are geting along farming. Be 
shore and not let the stock astray my wheat as I intend coming home at harvest if possible. Give my best 
respects to all inquiring friends. J. R. Moss " 



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The House he intended to build 



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Lonely Civil War Soldier Needs Your letters (2012-03-31 09:57) 




[1] 

Some people are letter writers and some not. Nancy Forgey/Moss was in the latter. I never enjoyed writing 

letters either. Typing a letter is much more enjoyable than handwriting one, however. 

Lick Creek April 1, 1862 

"Dear Wife 

I received your letter baring date April 1st and was glad to here from you. I have nothing of interest to write 

from the fact that I have wrote to you every other day since I came here whether you ever received my letters 

or not I can't say as you have not wrote whether you have received any one of them or not you must write 

oftener and write whether you ever received my letters or not you must take care of your self the Best you 

can. I was joking about writing every other day but I have wrote five or six letters to you beside peases that 

I have wrote in others since I came here. This leaves me well hoping it ma reach and find you enjoying all 

the pleasures of life you must answer this immediately. So no more But Remain your affectionate Husband. 

John R. Moss" 

Lick Creek April 1, 1862 

"Dear Father 

I was informed yesterday by West Eavens that you was at home which I was glad to here. But at the same 

time sorry to here that you was not well. I want you to do Nancyes writing for her and all so want you to 

write to me your self. Give me all the News as I have a bad chance of geting any here you must let me now 

where you left Harry so that I can write to him. tell Mother I would have come By when I started up here 

but I new it would hert her. 

Vicksburg, Miss March 9th 1863 

"Dear Wife, 

As I have an opportunity of writing to you and sending it by hand I conclude to drop you a few lines which 

will inform you that I am well. Trusting at the same time these lines may reach and find well. I have nothing 

new to write to you at present more than all the boys here safe and appear to be very satisfied. When we 

will get away from this place I can not say as I see no prospect at present tho I am in hopes we may get 

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away soon. Take good care of yourself and rest assured that I will do everything in my power to render you 
happy so no more write soon and give me all the news." 

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1940 US Census: Separating Communists from Patriotic Americans (2012-04-01 11:48) 




1940 CENSUS 



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Actually Communists and Patriotic Americans were allies during WWII. So Communists, leftists, rightists 
and everyone is encouraged to help index the 1940 Census beginning April 2nd (except Fascists)! 

What You Can Do Now 

1. Download and install the indexing software [2]Watch an Overview | [3] Get Started 

2. Learn how to index the 1940 US Census [4] Watch a Video | [5] Try the 1940 Census indexing simulation 

3. Let others know about the 1940 US Census Community Project [6]Like the Facebook page | [7] Follow 
@Thel940Census on Twitter | [8] Follow the page on Google+ | [9] Tell friends about thel940census.com 

You can keep up with the latest updates by visiting [10]thel940census.com often over the next few weeks. 



Thank You! 

The 1940 US Census Community Project Team" 

I've mapped out my strategy for tomorrow. 

I went to Steve Morse's On Step Website [ll]http://stevemorse.org/census/unined.html 

I found the following enumeration districts using addresses and a 1930 enumeration district: 



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1. 103-602 for 11321 Forest Avenue Chicago Illinois for the Kappel/Kapple Family. Half the family living 
in that house spelled the name Kappel and the other half Kapple LOL. I am not sure whether any 
members of the family lived there in 1940? I have not been able to locate the address of the Rectory 
House the family later purchased and may have lived in 1940? I am going to try some more to locate 
the address. 

2. I found 3 districts for 4th Avenue Puente, California 19-166 A-D, 19-167, 19-168. This is for the Forgey 
family. They also may have still been in Glendale, California on 124 Cypress enumeration district 
19-210? 

I am fairly sure I can find the Forgeys tomorrow? Will probably need Rectory House Address for Kapple's 
? Anyway I will be here [12]http://1940census. archives. gov/ at around 6am pacific tomorrow 

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11. http: //stevemorse . org/census/unif ied.html 

12. http : //1940census . archives . gov/ 



Finding My Family 1940 Plus Indexing the First 1000 are the Toughest (2012-04-10 14:11) 

[1] [house+on+Forest . JPG] 
Kapple/Kappel family home on Forest in Chicago, Illinois 



A week has passed since the harrowing 1940 US Census debut. The first day left us wondering if we would 
ever actually see any of the census images. A tsunami of people hit the servers on that first day bringing 
the [2] Official Site down. It looked like we would not be able to index that first day. By about 5 pm pacific 
time I was able to get my first batch to index. Since then IV pasted the 1000 name mark. I am sure my first 
few batches of 1940 Census Index pages weren't the best. I am learning the indexing game as I go along; 
on the job. I heard someone complain at a recent 1940 Census Webinar that indexers are not following 
instructions. For the most part the instructions for each field on the Census are plainly explained in a box to 
the right of what you are indexing. When you are getting started, however, these numerous instructions can 
be overwhelming. It is necessary to keep referring to them until you have gained some skill. It takes time to 
learn how to interpret handwriting etc. plus remember all of the instructions. After a week I predict those 

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who stick with indexing will be on their way to near perfection when it conies to indexing. The arbitrators 
will have to bear with the newbies for a while. 

As far as the handwriting goes interpretation has been much like what I am familiar with regarding my 
research in original records. You have to keep looking at the words and names you know to untangle the 
ones you don't know. I have also used Google Search to find the correct place names and [3] Family Search 
to find hard to decipher family names. I often find the same families on the 1930 US Census. If you like 
solving these handwriting puzzles you will love indexing. It is rewarding when you finally correctly identify 
some of the scribbles. 

So far I have worked on indexes for Delaware, Colorado, Kansas, California, Illinois, Oregon and Virginia. 
The readability of these pages ranges from nearly completely illegible and sometimes very blurred images, to 
excellent quality, very legible handwriting. Most images are 90 some percent readable with a few indecipher- 
able entries. I have noticed many misspellings of places and names. The Census takers often used phonetic 
spellings. I would have thought by 1940 the names would have been spelled correctly. 

I think a problem for young indexers is going to be the outdated first names. Post baby boomers likely don't 
have much contact with this older generation. I remember a young saleperson at Macy's had never heard 
of the name Marjorie before. My mother's best friend was Marjorie and she was surprised that this young 
woman never heard of it before. Names like Marjorie, Mildred, Doris etc. coupled with outdated handwriting 
styles, might be a little tricky for the younger generation. 

[4] [kappel ' s+on+f orest+1940+census . JPG] 
Mary Kappel and family 1940 US Census 



As I said earlier the first day the Census was released was a day of frustration and confusion. After all the 
build up to this day I was inpatient to find my family. I did all the preliminary research at the [5] Steve 
Morse One Step 1940 Site. I had my ED districts ready. I got up early which was unnecessary because the 
official site crashed. [6] Ancestry.com was the first site to get viewable images up for a few states. Lucky 
California was one of those states which was available by midday. That night I found out the [7] My Heritage 
Site had Illinois images posted so I began searching there about 10pm. So by the end of that day I found 
my Great-Grandmother Mary Kappel in Chicago, Illinois with some of her family, and my mother's family 
in Puente, California. Sadly the Forest address is not where my grandparents Rudolph and Dorothy Kapple 
lived in 1940. I have tried to search the area for them but Chicago is such a large city I quickly found it 
would be nearly impossible to find them that way. I may have to wait for the index. I do have a list of 
people to search for in the index when that is ready. 

[8] [1940+Census+Forgeys. JPG] 

Charles and Graciela Forgey family 1940 Census 



I found the information for my family very interesting. I did not know my grandfather Charles Forgey still 
worked for the WPA in 1940. I knew that he had worked for the WPA in Glendale when he was supposed to 
make a list of all the City Trees in Glendale giving their species. In 1940 he seems to have been working on a 
School Construction site. I am thinking that may have been Hudson School or El Monte High School? I have 
some lighting fixtures and a few other items from Hudson School which was demolished in the 1980's. My 
mother remembers when her family was getting relief during the depression. The government gave jackets 

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to poor families which my mother did not want to wear because then people knew you were on relief. Soon 
after this my grandfather was able to get defense work. He worked at Douglas in Long Beach as a shipping 
and receiving clerk during WWII. 



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Major League Pitcher Denver Lemaster 



A picture my family has of Denver Lemaster makes more sense now. When I looked at the entry before 
my grandparents I found the Lemaster family with their child Denver. Apparently this child later became a 
Major league baseball Pitcher; Denny Lemaster. 

My mother was selected to answer more questions in the 1940 Census which actually didn't provide any info 
I didn't already know. 

I noticed that my Forgey Grandparents land was valued at $2000. 

It was wonderful that my Great Grandmother Mary Kappel still lived on Forest in Chicago in 1940. Her 
daughter and son-in-law and couple of her children and grandchildren also lived with her. Apparently her 
son-in-law and his family moved in when my grandparents moved out. It's great to get more family names. 
I will have to research the newly identified family members. As I said previously my Grandparents divorced 
and my Grandmother Dorothy Kapple brought her family to California. My grandfather Rudolph Kapple 
remained in Chicago. The family in Chicago was rarely referred to. I never knew that Rudolph had 10 
siblings until I began researching. I am just now learning the names of more of his nieces and nephews. We 
have no pictures of the early Kappel family in Chicago. My father was young when his parents divorced. 
One of the fond memories my Father had regarding his father was a tour he was given of a steel mill by his 
father. I wondered about how my grandfather had access to a steel mill? Now I see that his brother William 
and his brother-in-law were working in the steel industry 1940. I will see if Rudolph also worked in the steel 
industry when I locate him. 



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Hugh Forgey reference Deeds Knox County, TN (2012-04-26 11:15) 



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had time to do an analysis of the deeds I received from Knox County Archives for Hugh Forgey. I had hoped 
one of these deeds would be a purchase deed for Hugh Forgey's 250 acres on Flat Creek. Unfortunately none 
were purchase deeds. In fact none of the deeds were transactions for Hugh. He was a witness or mentioned 
in these deeds. They are all helpful, however, because they name associates and neighbors. Since no census 
records exist for this time period (1790's) the deeds help to identify the Forgey neighbors. The deed to the 
right top contains a property description. Hugh Forgey's property is mentioned as bordering this very large 
tract. It's a 4000 acre tract so it doesn't narrow the area of the possible location of Hugh's land by that 
much. I need to map out these tracts to get a better picture of where the land may have been? That's 
my next project. The John Meek (to the right) was witnessed by Hugh Forgey. I don't know whether this 
Meek is a relative of Agnes Meek who married Hugh's Uncle Alexander Forgey in Washington County, VA? 
I do think it is highly likely that Alexander Forgey and Andrew Forgey of Maury County, TN were son's 
of Alexander Forgey Sr. of Washington County, VA. I had been a little troubled about not find Andrew or 
Alexander listed in taxlists for Washington County, VA. Actually there are several possible reasons for this 
including living in someone else's household, possibly working on another farm or as an apprentice? There 
are unnamed young men living in Alexander's household, but they are not listed on every taxlist. 

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Another deed to the right bottom was witnessed by Hugh Forgey and John Reynolds, Hugh's Uncle and 
neighbor on Little Flat Creek. They witnessed this deed for the prominent citizen of the area Nicolas Gibbs. 

I am happy I ordered these deeds. I think it's important to collect and analyze any scrap of paper involving 
the family in that area. 

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Saving Your Blog in PDF Format and Publishing it (2012-04-29 16:36) 

My blog contains information which isn't recorded anywhere else . I've used it as a log for my research 
and consult it often. [l]http://code. google. com/p/pdfbinder/ I've backed it up downloading it from Blogger. 
This file can only be opened using blogger. I also wanted to save it in a format not dependent on Blogger 
to open and view. I've looked into Blog Publishing Companies Blog to Print and Blurb. These companies 
charge from $20.00 and up to print your blog in book form. 

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